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# Fight in the Skies (F.I.T.S.) Society

Welcome to the Fight in the Skies Society and the official home page for the DAWN PATROL board game

## Sitemaps

- [XML Sitemap](https://fitssociety.com/sitemap.xml): Contains all public & indexable URLs for this website.

## Posts

- [Forums](https://fitssociety.com/forums/)
- [Alb DVa Kermit Weeks](https://fitssociety.com/10173-2/) - Alb D Va Kermit Weeks Video: This is the exact same plane I had the privilege to see up close and in person at the 2018 Oshkosh EAA Airventure Show! -Ariana W.
- [Airdrome Aeroplanes](https://fitssociety.com/airdrome-aeroplanes/) - Airdrome Aeroplanes  I had the privilege of seeing a partial collection of Airdrome Aeroplanes at the 2018 Oshkosh EAA Airventure Show. Here is a video from their website that you simply have to see. -Ariana W.
- [WWI Dogfight](https://fitssociety.com/wwidogfight/) - WWI Dogfight Kermit Weeks and Gene Demarco
- [Indy Squadron](https://fitssociety.com/site-speed/) - Be sure to check out the Indy Squadron website and Indy Squadron TV for an interview with Mike Carr and other Dawn Patrol related videos Click Here for the Indy Squadron Website Click Here for Indy TV

## Pages

- [Home](https://fitssociety.com/) - Fight in the Skies (F.I.T.S.) Society
- [Contact the Webmaster](https://fitssociety.com/contact-the-admin-9/)
- [Fight in the Skies Society - How do I join this wonderful organization?](https://fitssociety.com/joining-fits/) - There are two methods for joining the FIGHT IN THE SKIES Society. Option #1 - Pay by Mail - You will need to send a check for $25.00 directly to our Treasurer John O'Connell at FITS Treasurer, 4819 W Sunnyside Dr, Milwaukee, WI 53208. Please Contact the Treasurer to notify him in advance. Option #2
- [Membership Levels](https://fitssociety.com/membership-account/membership-levels/) - [pmpro_levels]
- [Gameplay Counters](https://fitssociety.com/gameplay-counters/) - Allied Aircraft Central Aircraft Russian Aircraft Russian Aircraft Notes Anti-Aircraft Tiles Balloon Tiles Train Tiles #1 Train Tiles #2
- [Charts and Rules](https://fitssociety.com/__trashed/) - Critical Hits Chart FE2b Observer Field of Fire Chart SPAD A2/4 and G1 Location Hit Chart Zeppelin Rules
- [AeroDrome](https://fitssociety.com/aerodrome/) - AeroDrome 100 AeroDrome 137 AeroDrome 144 AeroDrome 145 AeroDrome 148 AeroDrome 149 AeroDrome 150 AeroDrome 151 AeroDrome 152 AeroDrome 153 AeroDrome 190
- [AeroDrome 137](https://fitssociety.com/aerodrome-137/) - Click to read AeroDrome 137
- [Contact The Treasurer](https://fitssociety.com/contact-the-treasurer/)
- [Contact the Game Designer](https://fitssociety.com/contact-the-game-designer/)
- [Introduction to Dawn Patrol](https://fitssociety.com/introduction-to-dawn-patrol/) - By Game Designer & FITS Society Head Mike Carr Over the past fifty years, many historical wargames have come and gone, and quite a few have been forgotten, as well. Over the decades, there have been a few big sellers that have enjoyed great and lasting popularity, becoming “classics” in their own right -- and
- [Aerodrome 148](https://fitssociety.com/aerodrome-148/) - Click to read ]Aerodrome 148
- [Aerodrome 152](https://fitssociety.com/aerodrome-152/) - Click here to read Aerodrome 152
- [Event List](https://fitssociety.com/event-list-2/)
- [Submit an After Action Report](https://fitssociety.com/after-action-report-submission-9/)
- [Request Account to play Dawn Patrol Online](https://fitssociety.com/request-account-to-play-dawn-patrol-online/)
- [Critical Hit Chart](https://fitssociety.com/critical-hit-chart/) - Click here or on the image to open the critical hit chart.
- [Membership Checkout](https://fitssociety.com/membership-account/membership-checkout/) - [pmpro_checkout]
- [DP-PILOTS](https://fitssociety.com/dp-pilots-dawn-patrol-pilot-information-and-logbook-online-tracking-system/) - DP-PILOTS - The Dawn Patrol Pilot Information and Logbook Online Tracking System - runs in an external window. Please click the link below to begin...Click here or on the image to launch DP-PILOTS
- [Zeppelin Rules](https://fitssociety.com/zeppelin-tiles/) - Click here or on the image to open the Zeppelin rules.
- [Train Tiles](https://fitssociety.com/train-tiles/) - Click here or on the image to open page one of the train tiles.Click here for page two.
- [SPAD A2/4 and G1 Location Hit Chart](https://fitssociety.com/spad-a2-4-and-g1-location-hit-chart/) - Click here or on the image to open the chart.
- [Russian Aircraft](https://fitssociety.com/russian-aircraft/) - Click here or on the image to open the counters.Click here to read Notes on these Aircraft.
- [Central Aircraft](https://fitssociety.com/central-aircraft/) - Click here or on the image to open the counters.
- [Allied Aircraft](https://fitssociety.com/allied-aircraft/) - Click here or on the image to open the counters.
- [FE2b Observer Field of Fire Chart](https://fitssociety.com/fe2b-observer-field-of-fire-chart/) - Click here or on the image to open the chart.
- [Aerodrome 153](https://fitssociety.com/aerodrome-153/) - Click here to read Aerodrome 153
- [Aerodrome 149](https://fitssociety.com/aerodrome-149/) - Click to read Aerodrome 149
- [Upcoming Events](https://fitssociety.com/upcoming-events/)
- [Balloon Tiles](https://fitssociety.com/balloon-tiles/) - Click here or on the image to print your own balloon tiles!
- [Anti Aircraft Tiles](https://fitssociety.com/anti-aircraft-tiles/) - Click here or on the image to print your own anti-aircraft tiles!
- [Aircraft Stats Service](https://fitssociety.com/aircraft-stats-service/) - Click here or on the image to Access the Aircraft Stats Service
- [Aerodrome 151](https://fitssociety.com/aerodrome-151/) - Click here to read Aerodrome 151
- [Aerodrome 150](https://fitssociety.com/aerodrome-150/) - Click here to read Aerodrome 150
- [Aerodrome 145](https://fitssociety.com/aerodrome-145/) - Click to read Aerodrome 145
- [AeroDrome 100](https://fitssociety.com/aerodrome100/) - Click to read AeroDrome 100
- [Contribute Content](https://fitssociety.com/contribute-content/)
- [Activate](https://fitssociety.com/activate/)
- [Members](https://fitssociety.com/members/)
- [Activity](https://fitssociety.com/activity/)
- [Calendar](https://fitssociety.com/calendar/)
- [Aerodrome 144](https://fitssociety.com/aerodrome144/) - Click to read Aerodrome 144
- [No Access](https://fitssociety.com/no-access/) - [dlm_no_access]
- [forum](https://fitssociety.com/forum/)
- [Membership Billing](https://fitssociety.com/membership-account/membership-billing/) - [pmpro_billing]
- [Membership Cancel](https://fitssociety.com/membership-account/membership-cancel/) - [pmpro_cancel]
- [Membership Invoice](https://fitssociety.com/membership-account/membership-invoice/) - [pmpro_invoice]
- [Membership Account](https://fitssociety.com/membership-account/)
- [Membership Confirmation](https://fitssociety.com/membership-account/membership-confirmation/) - [pmpro_confirmation]
- [Logo Editing](https://fitssociety.com/logo-editing/) - There are two methods of changing the Metropolis logo: via the logo picker and manual change. The Logo Picker Enable Logo and set to Custom at Admin Dashboard → Metropolis Theme → Style. Set Logo Picker to either RokGallery or Media Library. Select your logo, Insert and Save Manual Change Set Type to Metropolis. Upload
- [Installation](https://fitssociety.com/installation/) - This guide covers the basics of installing the standalone theme into WordPress. Important: This tutorial covers installation of the standalone version of the theme which DOESN'T contain the demo content. If you'd like to replicate our demo please install the RocketLauncher package. The tutorial on how to do that can be found under Tutorials in
- [Menu Options](https://fitssociety.com/menu-options/) - Dropdown Menu The Dropdown Menu is an advanced CSS drive dropdown menu system. It offers advanced structural features such as multiple columns, inline icons and text, custom column widths, item distribution and menu offset. All of these are configurable for each menu item. SplitMenu A static menu system that displays 1st level items in
- [Features](https://fitssociety.com/features/) - The next generation layout and structure compliments the beautiful and intricate design of the template in conjunction with its many features and integrated plugins Inside Metropolis Template Everything You Need to Build Your Stunning Website Preset Styles Widget Position Widget Variations Dropdown Menu Typography Integrated Plugins Logo Picker Gantry 4 Framework Powerful Framework that Makes

## Forums

- [New Feature Announcements](https://fitssociety.com/forums/forum/support-area/new-feature-announcements/) - When new website features are added or existing features are enhanced, you will see updates here.
- [Player Introductions (Who are you? What do you do?)](https://fitssociety.com/forums/forum/dawn-patrol-fight-in-the-skies/player-introductions-who-are-you-what-do-you-do/) - Please use this forum to post info about yourself, how/where you learned about Dawn Patrol and maybe some of your favorite moments playing.
- [Looking For a Game](https://fitssociety.com/forums/forum/dawn-patrol-fight-in-the-skies/looking-for-a-game/) - Post here if you are looking to get a game together. Note: for scheduled face to face games, or online VDP matches, all registered users can also post to this websites calendar. The admin will approve your post ASAP after you submit it.
- [Apache Jagdstaffel](https://fitssociety.com/forums/forum/groupjive/apache-jagdstaffel1/)
- [Squadron Area - Public](https://fitssociety.com/forums/forum/dawn-patrol-fight-in-the-skies/squadron-area-public/) - Public Area for Squadrons to post AARs and general updates. This area is viewable by all registered users of the website.
- [Apache Jagdstaffel](https://fitssociety.com/forums/forum/dawn-patrol-fight-in-the-skies/squadron-area-public/apache-jagdstaffel/) - Apache Jagdstaffel AARs and general updates
- [CyberJasta](https://fitssociety.com/forums/forum/dawn-patrol-fight-in-the-skies/squadron-area-public/cyberjasta/) - CyberJasta AARs and general updates
- [Jagdstaffel Wisconsin](https://fitssociety.com/forums/forum/dawn-patrol-fight-in-the-skies/squadron-area-public/jagdstaffel-wisconsin/) - Jagdstaffel Wisconsin AARs and general updates
- [Minnesota Squadron "Ghost Jasta"](https://fitssociety.com/forums/forum/dawn-patrol-fight-in-the-skies/squadron-area-public/minnesota-squadron-ghost-jasta/) - Minnesota Squadron "Ghost Jasta" AARs and general updates
- [Jagdstaffel Wisconsin1](https://fitssociety.com/forums/forum/groupjive/jagdstaffel-wisconsin1/)
- [Game Hosting Discussion](https://fitssociety.com/forums/forum/dawn-patrol-fight-in-the-skies/game-hosting-discussion/) - Need tips on hosting your own game nights? Ask those questions or provide info here.
- [BlackHawk Squaron](https://fitssociety.com/forums/forum/groupjive/blackhawk-squaron/)
- [Indianapolis "Indy Squadron"](https://fitssociety.com/forums/forum/groupjive/indianapolis-indy-squadron/)
- [BlackHawks Sqdn](https://fitssociety.com/forums/forum/groupjive/blackhawks-sqdn/)
- [Indy Squadron](https://fitssociety.com/forums/forum/groupjive/indy-squadron/)
- [FITS Members Only Announcements](https://fitssociety.com/forums/forum/dawn-patrol-fight-in-the-skies/fits-members-only-announcements/) - Look here for special announcements for FitS members only
- [Mountain Flyers](https://fitssociety.com/forums/forum/groupjive/mountain-flyers/)
- [Dawn Patrol/Fight in the Skies](https://fitssociety.com/forums/forum/dawn-patrol-fight-in-the-skies/)
- [General WWI Aviation Discussion](https://fitssociety.com/forums/forum/wwi-aviation/general-wwi-aviation-discussion/) - Discuss anything related to WWI Aviation
- [Museum Trip Photos](https://fitssociety.com/forums/forum/wwi-aviation/museum-trip-photos/) - Please share your stories and photos from any WWI related museum trips.
- [WWI Modeling](https://fitssociety.com/forums/forum/wwi-aviation/wwi-modeling/) - Share pictures and stories about models you have built that are anything related to WWI.
- [WWI Aviation](https://fitssociety.com/forums/forum/wwi-aviation/)
- [VDP Email Games](https://fitssociety.com/forums/forum/dawn-patrol-fight-in-the-skies/vdp-email-games/) - Use this location to help organize and facilitate Virtual Dawn Patrol email games.
- [Minnesota Squadron "Ghost Jasta"](https://fitssociety.com/forums/forum/groupjive/minnesota-squadron-ghost-jasta-1/)
- [CyberJasta](https://fitssociety.com/forums/forum/groupjive/cyberjasta1/)
- [GroupJive](https://fitssociety.com/forums/forum/groupjive/)
- [Virtual Dawn Patrol Support](https://fitssociety.com/forums/forum/support-area/virtual-dawn-patrol-support/) - If you have questions on setting up or using the VDP module for Vassal, please post here.
- [Website Support](https://fitssociety.com/forums/forum/support-area/website-support/) - Seeing some odd things with the website? Please post here.
- [Support Area](https://fitssociety.com/forums/forum/support-area/)
- [Aerodrome](https://fitssociety.com/forums/forum/dawn-patrol-fight-in-the-skies/aerodrome/) - Discuss current/future/past FITS Aerodrome newsletters here.
- [Virtual Dawn Patrol](https://fitssociety.com/forums/forum/dawn-patrol-fight-in-the-skies/virtual-dawn-patrol/) - Discussions about the Virtual Dawn Patrol Module for the Vassal PC War Gaming engine.
- [FITS Events](https://fitssociety.com/forums/forum/dawn-patrol-fight-in-the-skies/fits-events/) - Discussion related to special or annual FITS events.
- [Rules Discussion](https://fitssociety.com/forums/forum/dawn-patrol-fight-in-the-skies/rules-discussion/) - If it is about a Dawn Patrol rule from any edition, discuss it here.

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- [100th Anniversary of the First Aerial Victory](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/100th-anniversary-of-the-first-aerial-victory/) - I got an email today from Chris Janiec. Per Chris, today is the 100th Anniversary of the first air combat victory, when a French Voisin 3 of Escadrille V24 downed a German Aviatik B.I of Fl.Abt.18 near Reims. Graham
- [After Action Report - September 29,2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-september-292014/) - AAR Monday 09/29/2014 Well good evening everyone, and welcome to another Monday night edition of VDP, also known as “Do I have a snowball’s chance in H$## of surviving another mission?!” Game one took place in August of 1918. This late war scenario pitted Jeff M and Scott K as Allies flying the deadly Bristol
- [Dayton Seminar report](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/dayton-seminar-report/) - During the League of WW I Aviation Historians Seminar at Dayton Ohio we managed to fit in seven games of FitS. Here's a report on them. Since I wasn't planning on this my only source is my mission logs so it may be a bit short on other pilots doings. Sept 24 1 game. (June
- [Games on 9/22 and 9/23?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/games-on-922-and-923/) - We're there any online games this past Sunday or Monday? Graham
- [Emergency airfield](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/emergency-airfield/) - What are the rules for findng an emergency airfield ? Please and thank you. Dan
- [AAR - 09/15/2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/aar-09152014/) - Sorry for the very brief report for Monday night. I did not take good notes and actually had not expected to be writing this. I have vowed to take better notes for all future games. The first game took place in November of 1918. It was Scott and Jeff flying British Camels vs Andy Priest
- [AAR - 09/18/2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/aar-09182014/) - We played two games this Thursday evening for an off night of some exciting Dawn Patrol action. Game one was June of 1917. For the Allies it was Jeff McInnes and Scott Kolar as French flying Nieuport 17’s. Jeff had 2 guns and Scott had one wing gun. For the Germans it was Carl Priest
- [AAR - Sept 14, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/aar-sept-14-2014/) - The mission tonight was deja vu all over again. The Germans were busting a British balloon in November of 1918. This time it was Scott (D.VII 185), Carl F (SSW D.IV) and Chris (Pfalz D.XII) on the attack, with three Snipes (Ken, Jeff, Graham) defending the gas bag. Scott dove in to attack the balloon
- [AAR - Sept 13, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/aar-sept-13-2014/) - Hi everyone, Carl Priest organized a game night on Saturday, and we had five players. Game one was in 1917 on the Italian front. Two Austro Hungarians (Scott and Graham) were supposed to intercept an Italian two-seater (John with two N.17 escorts (two Carls - Priest and Fritz). It was quick and bloody. The N.17s
- [Invitation to Play SATURDAY 9/13!  7 pm!   Anyone?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/invitation-to-play-saturday-913-7-pm-anyone/) - JOhn Buckland and I are looking to play on line tonight! Anyone interested say.. 7 PM CDT? Carl Priest
- [AAR - Sept 7, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/aar-sept-7-2014/) - Just a quick recap of Sunday night action. It was a late war battle, with four French SPAD XIIIs (John, Chris, Jeff, Graham) surprising three Germans (Carl - SSW, Ken and Jim - D.VIIs). The French weren't terribly effective in their shooting, until Jeff managed a pilot hit on Ken. It was only a light
- [After Action Report - Sept 8, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-sept-8-2014/) - Game two of the night saw Jeff Mc and Chris O in Roland DIIa's against Scott K and Ken S in Brit Spad VII's in Sept of 1917. German morale was not improved when they saw the special notation stating "seaplane". We assumed this was a typo until we saw the aircrafts performance at the
- [Map Expansion Project](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/map-expansion-project/) - A few years ago, I put together the map for Vassal Dawn Patrol, which was an enlarged map scaled to measure 44" by 44" (which I've also plotted out to use as my personal map, since it's a good fit for any 4' wide table). The map has since migrated to Roll20. Hearing the occasional
- [Observers and Quickstart](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/observers-and-quickstart/) - We had a situation come up online last night that we weren't sure how to handle. It pertains to observers with experience and the quickstart roll. The original quickstart rules allowed a side to count a modifier for each ace/experienced "pilot". But in a recent re-release of the quickstart rule that was changed from "pilots"
- [After Action Report - September 1, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-september-1-2014/) - Hi guys, A quick update on the game last night. We had seven players for a May 1918 battle. Four Germans (Ken S - Alb DVa, John B - Alb DVa, Andy P - Hannover, Graham C - Pfalz DIIIa) surprised three British Camels, led by an experienced pilot (Kevan S, Carl F, Scott K).
- [After Action Report - August 31, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-august-31-2014/) - We played two games last night for "Sunday Night FITS", including the historical mission from Aerodrome #166, "The Bristols Arrive". In "The Bristols Arrive", Jim B, Andy P, Kevan S and John B had the Bristol F.2A's. They faced three Albs flown by Graham, Carl F and Jeff Mc. There were a couple of "bids"
- [After Action Report - August 30, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-august-30-2014/) - We played two fast games tonight. First game was Nov 1918, big block Fokkers (Scott and Graham) against British Camels (Andy and Jeff). It was the game of called shots. On at least 4 occasions the target requested a specific to hit roll from his attacker, and the attacker obliged with exactly that roll. The
- [After Action Report - Friday, August 29,2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-friday-august-292014/) - AAR for Friday 08/29/2014 We played one game this evening. It was July of 1918. For the Allies, Liam M. and Scott K. teamed up in British Camel 140’s against the Germans Jeff M and Andy P in a Fokker DVII’s for this off night Friday edition. Liam is Jeff’s son and it was a
- [After action report - Aug 28 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-aug-28-2014/) - Hi everyone, We had six players for a game last night, playing a pickup game organized by Carl P. It was May 1917, with three French Nieuport 17s, all with two guns (Carl P, Andy P and TJ), squaring off against three Albs (Jim B and Scott K in D.IIIs, Graham in a D.II). There
- [AAR VDP 08/24/2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/aar-vdp-08242014/) - AAR Sunday 08/24/2014 My reports will be shorter than usual given my time constraints and the poor notes that I took during play. Have you seen the TV show “Last Man Standing” with Tim Allen? Tonight’s match up made it feel that way, and here’s why. Game one was in March of 1918. For the
- [4 for 4 Pilots](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/4-for-4-pilots/) - Hi Everyone, I thought we could use this thread to post updates on our 4 for 4 pilots. Many thanks to Mr Carr for starting this special event -- I think it is a great idea. Through gaming on August 25th I've been able to fly all four of my special pilots, and I've managed
- [After Action Report - August 25, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-august-25-2014/) - Hi All, We just wrapped two missions for Monday night FITS. We had 6 players for the first game. Scott Kolar had a DH9 escorted by two Bristols (Andy P and Chris O). They were met by a Hannover (Jeff Mc) escorted by two pitiful Alb D.Va's (Graham and Ken). The battle was in October
- [After Action Report – Monday 08/18/2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-monday-08182014/) - After Action Report – Monday 08/18/2014 This should get us caught up and back on track We played two games on Monday evening, which lasted just about 2 ½ hours. A mixed bag of Germans took on the Allies in September of 1918. Andy P and Chris O’Hal in British Camel 140’s thought they had
- [After Action Report – Sunday 08/17/2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-sunday-08172014/) - After Action Report – Sunday 08/17/2014 I am sorry this is late. My schedule has become a bit more hectic lately and I am trying to find time to write this up. Sunday evening’s game had six players for an even three on three match up. Ken S. and Kevan S. were flying Pfalz DIII’s
- [Friday 8/22 Game?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/friday-822-game/) - Looking to see if we can get a foursome going Friday night 8/22 7PM CST. Post here if you are interested in playing!
- [After Action Report Monday August 11](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-monday-august-11/) - Well good evening and welcome to this week’s Monday night match up. With our Ace of Ace’s competition in full swing, you can bet the competition is fierce out there. Congratulations go out to Jim Barber on his stellar performance in Sunday night’s game. Read all about it right here on your favorite forum. I
- [After Action Report - August 10, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-august-10-2014/) - We had six players for Sunday night online Dawn Patrol. The game was set in October 1917, with three Camel 130s (Jim B, Carl F and Ken S) intercepting a DFW C.V (Graham) and two Albatros D.V/Va escorts (Scott K and Jeff M). The Germans were over their own lines, just about to cross into
- [TWIN CITIES Mini-Con   will be Nov 7th, 8Th & 9th!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/twin-cities-mini-con-will-be-nov-7th-8th-9th/) - 7th Annual MN Mini-Con Weekend WHEN: Friday November 7th 2014 2 pm till midnight Saturday November 8th 2014 10AM - Midnight Sunday November 9th 2014 10AM - afternoon WHERE: Source Comics & Games – 2057 Snelling Avenue N, Roseville, MN 55113 Play will start Friday afternoon open gaming that players can join in on at
- [Gen Con warmup Wednesday August 13th](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/gen-con-warmup-wednesday-august-13th/) - Join host Blake Taylor at Union Station ( New York central room) in downtown Indianapolis from 1-9pm for open gaming
- [After Action Report - August 4, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-august-4-2014/) - Waaaaaazzzzzzzzzuuuuuuuppppppp! Howz you all doin'? I wuz asked if I wud, you know, rite about what it is I saws on Monday night, you know what I mean. So I sayz, "Yeah, why not. I could put the lead to the parchment and jot down some ditties. I hopes I recalls it ok cuz you
- [Ace of Aces Scoring Update](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/ace-of-aces-scoring-update/) - Through August 8th we've had 8 missions scored by 6 players in the online Ace of Aces competition. The total score results thus far are ... Player (Missions) Score Carl Priest (1) +99 Scott Kolar (3) +66 John Buckland (1) +55 Stephen Skinner (1) +36 Jim Barber (1) +10 Graham Cox (1) -35 We have
- [After Action Report - August 3, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-august-3-2014/) - Today's mission was set in May 1918, with four German fighters (Carl P and Scott K in Fokker Dr.Is, Graham in a Fokker D.VI and Chris O in a Fokker D.VII 160) against four French SPAD XIIIs (Jim B, Andy P, Carl F and John . All of the the French SPADs had rookie pilots
- [After Action Report - July 27, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-july-27-2014/) - Good evening everyone, It is great to be back in action after a couple weeks off. Tonight's matchup was an Allied 2 seater mission. Andy Priest (3/0) both pilot and observer in a DH4 teamed up with Scott Kolar in a Camel 110 Pilot (9/1) against Chris O'Halloran in a Fokker DVII and John Buckland
- [After Action Report - July 21, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-july-21-2014/) - Scott, Carl F and myself waited for a game for a bit tonight with no sign of a 4th... victims of the 'summer lull'. Hope to see more online action next weekend!
- [After Action Report - July 20, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-july-20-2014/) - We had 7 players on hand this evening for a bloody 1918 battle. June 1918 over the Western Front, a patrol of British Sopwith Camel 110s (Scott K, Jim B, Carl F, John was able to surprise a German patrol (Stephen S, Ken S in Fokker DVII 200s and Andy in an Albatros DVa). The
- [Gen Con Events](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/gen-con-events/) - Below is the list of Gen Con events for 2014 Event Date and Time Judge Bloody April Thur, Aug. 14th 8:00 AM Rick Lacy April 17. French aviators try to knock the aggressive Huns back across the front. Will the French succeed or will the Huns rule the Day again. ________________________________________ Event Date and Time
- [game boards](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/game-boards/) - I found several places selling sewing boards on ebay. I bought one from a place called "crafty-e-corners ". Paid for it on Monday got free UPS on Tuesday... At the Spring Con I heard discussion of the lack of places to by sewing boards. So..... Dan
- [After Action Report - July 14, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-july-14-2014/) - Hi All, There was some carnage tonight!! The Germans were on a balloon busting mission in October of 1918. Four huns took to the air -- John B in his Fokker D.VIII, Stephen E in a Fokker D.VII (160-HC), Andy P in a Pfalz D.XII and Chris O in a Hannover CL.IIIa. The balloon was
- [After Action Report - July 13, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-july-13-2014/) - Hi gang, We just wrapped Sunday night Dawn Patrol Eight different players made appearances, and we flew two quick missions in just under two hours total. Game 1 saw 3 Pfalz D.IIIs (Graham, Andy, and John, with John flying an ace) escorting a Hannover CL.IIIa (Stephen) on a ground attack mission. They were intercepted by
- [Pfalz D.III Unjamming](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/pfalz-d-iii-unjamming/) - I've noticed that the official Pfalz D.III stats on this website still make no mention of the fuselage-mounted guns that made unjamming impossible in the air. As the repositioning of the guns was one of the key changes with the D.IIIa, should the aircraft statsbe updated to reflect this? I believe some of the Rolands
- [After Action Report:  July 7, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-july-7-2014/) - Well we just wrapped up what was the most exciting game I have seen online!! Tonight pitted Dennis Elliott (Fokker DVII 185 pilot ?) and John Buckland (Fokker DVII 185 pilot: Roland Ritter 0/0 from Mr. Carr's 'Centennial Pilot' list) defending against an artillery observation by Mike Barker (R.E.8 w/ 0/0 crew) escorted by Chris
- [After Action Report - July 6, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-july-6-2014/) - Hi all, We had 13 players on July 6, a new record! We split into two boards, with 7 on "Board 1", and 6 players on the second board. Andy P is going to write up the mission(s) from Board 2. On Board 1 ... It was a Bloody April mission, but it didn't live
- [SE5a High Compression Engine Upgrade](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/se5a-high-compression-engine-upgrade/) - I have been pulling together research for a few years now on the SE5a, and the engine upgrades that were done in 1918. Attached to this post is the document with my research results and proposal for a high compression SE5a engine. I am asking players to review and comment on what I have put
- [S.E.5a High Compression Upgrade](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/s-e-5a-high-compression-upgrade/) - I have been pulling together research for a few years now on the SE5a, and the engine upgrades that were done in 1918. Attached to this post is the document with my research results and proposal for a high compression SE5a engine. I am asking players to review and comment on what I have put
- [Collisions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/collisions/) - The Alternative Collision Chart takes away a player's ability to control the direction of his own aircraft, and instead puts his fate in the hands of rules makers and random dice. A few seconds to choose a card is a small price to pay for a player to have some control over his pilot's fate.
- [UPDATED -- Online "House Rules" -- July 5, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/updated-online-house-rules-july-5-2014/) - Here is the updated comprehensive list of online Dawn Patrol "house rules" and rule interpretations as of July 5, 2014. My thanks to those of you who provided the input used to construct this list. Please remember, I couldn't please all of the people all of the time ... Online Dawn Patrol “House Rules”-- Updated
- [After Action Report - July 4, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-july-4-2014/) - Hi everyone, Earlier today, at the request of Andy Priest, we took advantage of the holiday and held a special daytime edition of online Dawn Patrol. We had seven players for the first game, and six players stayed for a second game. Ethan Skinner played his first two online missions today -- welcome Ethan! Game
- [Pushers and damage limits](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/pushers-and-damage-limits/) - As shown in the aircraft stats service in the members area of this site DH 2 damage limits are 16 FF and 10 RF FE 8 damage limits are 16 FF and 11 RF FE 2B and FE 2d damage limits are 10 FF and 15 RF each The DH 2 and FE 8 take
- [After Action Report - July 2, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-july-2-2014/) - Tonight’s game featured some really good planes given the combat date of August, 1918. The Allies were led by Graham Cox, and consisted of 3 Belgian Camels. The central powers got 2 Fokker Dr I’s. It was a relatively careful dogfight, characterized by a lot of tight right turns, side shots and terrible defensive formations.
- [House Rule Discussion - Ground Obstacle Collisions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/house-rule-discussion-ground-obstacle-collisions/) - Below are two different alternatives for possible rules regarding collisions with ground obstacles. Please use this forum topic to express your opinion on these potential alternatives. You can say which one you like and why you like it, what you don't like about an alternative, you can suggest clarifications/enhancements, or you can even suggest another
- [House Rule Discussion - Head-On Pilot Hits](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/house-rule-discussion-head-on-pilot-hits/) - Below are three different alternatives for possible rules regarding pilot hits in head-on attacks (excluding from ground fire, which we've already covered). Please use this forum topic to express your opinion on these potential alternatives. You can say which one you like and why you like it, what you don't like about an alternative, you
- [House Rule Discussion - Jams on Short Bursts](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/house-rule-discussion-jams-on-short-bursts/) - Below are two different alternatives for possible rules regarding jams on short bursts. Please use this forum topic to express your opinion on these potential alternatives. You can say which one you like and why you like it, what you don't like about an alternative, you can suggest clarifications/enhancements, or you can even suggest another
- [House Rule Discussion - Balloon Kills](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/house-rule-discussion-balloon-kills/) - Below are two different alternatives for possible balloon kill rules. Please use this forum topic to express your opinion on these potential alternatives. You can say which one you like and why you like it, what you don't like about an alternative, you can suggest clarifications/enhancements, or you can even suggest another alternative. We'll entertain
- [House Rule Discussion - Wing Gun Defensive Fire](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/house-rule-discussion-wing-gun-defensive-fire/) - Below are several different alternatives for possible wing gun defensive fire rules. Please use this forum topic to express your opinion on these potential alternatives. You can say which one you like and why you like it, what you don't like about an alternative, you can suggest clarifications/enhancements, or you can even suggest another alternative.
- [House Rule for Discussion - Two Seater Firing](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/house-rule-for-discussion-two-seater-firing/) - Below are two different alternatives for possible two-seater firing rules. Please use this forum topic to express your opinion on these potential alternatives. You can say which one you like and why you like it, what you don't like about an alternative, you can suggest clarifications/enhancements, or you can even suggest another alternative. We'll entertain
- [Agreed Online Dawn Patrol "House Rules"](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/agreed-online-dawn-patrol-house-rules/) - All, As communicated to online players via email, here are the rules that were agreed to without objection, as of July 1, 2014. Online Dawn Patrol “House Rules” Approved as of July 1, 2014 1. All damage is “hidden damage”, to be witnessed by wingmen on the team window. 2. Tailing is “optional tailing”, using
- [After Action Report - June 30, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-june-30-2014/) - Hi Everyone, Monday night FITS is in the books. We passed a major milestone tonight – for the first time we played two games simultaneously. We had 8 players, and consensus opinion was to split into two 4 vs 4 battles to give that a try, and to speed up play. Those two games ended
- [After Action Report - June 29, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-june-29-2014/) - Sunday Night FITS is officially a wrap. We had ten players tonight! That's a new record, at least since I've been playing. It was also about max capacity, I think. We did finish the ten player game in just about two hours, and we played about 8 turns. The second game was only a 4
- [Online ACE of ACES](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/online-ace-of-aces/) - Hello Everyone, Starting on July 1 the FITS Society will be running a quarterly contest for online Dawn Patrol! Over the course of the calendar quarter you'll be able to score missions and accumulate points toward the contest, with the winner crowned at the end of September. This is your chance to prove that you're
- [After Action Report -- June 28, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-june-28-2014/) - We played two quick games tonight, and introduced Jeff's son Liam to the game. Both games were 2 on 2. Game 1 was in August 1917, with two British Nieuport 17s (Jeff and Liam) against two Alb D.IIIs (Graham and Scott). The Albs surprised the Nieuports, with Scott missing his shot on Liam and Graham
- [Dayton WWI airshow in September](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/dayton-wwi-airshow-in-september/) - Hi gang, I'm wondering who is planning to attend the WWI air show in Dayton on September 27/28, and where you're planning on staying. I think I will try to make it there. Please let me know. Thanks. Graham
- [AAR 06/26/2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/aar-06262014/) - Well good evening everyone, The Minnesota "Ghost" Jasta Squadron got in a live game of FITS this evening after our poker game. We played at Carl Priest's house. Andy Priest was in town for a few days with his new bride Lisa and they are visiting relatives here in MN before heading back to California.
- [After Action Report 6.26.14](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-6-26-14/) - I think I might do a special write-up for the aerodrome about this one, but would like to report the MN squadron was able to fly a mission tonight! We had three generations of the Priest clan at the table for the evening, which was special for Carl & myself !! A Sept. 1917 mission
- [After Action Report - June 26, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-june-26-2014/) - Hi All, We had another game tonight, and another new player. Welcome to Stephen's wife Nicolle, who played her first-ever Dawn Patrol game! She didn't have a lot of luck, but she made it home alive, which is a good start. The mission saw three French Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutters (Stephen, Nicolle and Kelly) bombing
- [After Action Report - June 25 - Reposted](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-june-25-reposted/) - Hi guys ... I mistakenly posted this earlier in the members only section. Reposting here for everyone. We just completed two pickup games. We had seven players for the first game, and five for the second. We also welcomed a first-time player, Mike Barker. Mike’s another Winnipeg guy coming back to the game after a
- [After Action Report - June 25, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-june-25-2014/) - We just completed two pickup games. We had seven players for the first game, and five for the second. We also welcomed a first-time player, Mike Barker. Mike’s another Winnipeg guy coming back to the game after a two-decade layoff. Welcome back, Mike! Game 1 saw three Belgian SPAD XIIIs (Graham, Carl, Jeff) against a
- [After Action Report - June 23, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-june-23-2014/) - We just wrapped Monday night gaming. There was lots of excitement tonight! We played two games, with 7 players in the first and 5 in the second. First mission saw a German two seater (LVG - Dennis) on a photo recon with three Pfalz D.IIIa escorts (Chris, Scott, Steve). They were intercepted by three French
- [Nexus Game Fair](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/nexus-game-fair/) - Nexus is a new game fair in Milwaukee that ran last Thursday-Sunday. George arranged a full slate of FitS, and to make sure we didn't sit around with nothing to do arranged for four of us to be there for the full con. Blake Taylor, Ken Mrozak, George and I were there for the full
- [After Action Report - June 22, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-june-22-2014/) - Hi All, Game night is a wrap for June 22. We had another good Sunday night turnout, with 8 people playing (and several visitors popping in to say hi and check things out). It was a Bloody April fighter battle, with British Pups (Carl F, Graham, Scott K, Stephen E) against three Alb D.IIIs (Jim
- [Online Results Summary](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/online-results-summary/) - Hi All, Just for kicks, I've summarized the results of the online missions from May 18 through June 18. I can't go back further quite as easily, as 5/18 was the first time I wrote up an after action report. Results from 5/18 through 6/18, inclusive, are as shown below, sorted by missions flown. Most
- [After Action Report - June 18, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-june-18-2014/) - At the request of Jeff M we got together a quick online pickup game tonight. It was June of 1918, Western Front fighters. Five players made it to play, and TJ took a quick break from his studies to say "hey"! It was far from a balanced fight. The Germans got the extra man, and
- [Lewis defensive fire](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/lewis-defensive-fire/) - I have recently found evidence of a Lewis wing mounted gun being used defensively. In his book, Sagittarius Rising, Cecil Lewis describes an encounter between an SE 5 pilot names Bowman and an Alb. He shot the Alb down. It is on page 170-171. We may have to rethink the defensive fire rule as the
- [Random Pilot Name Generator](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/random-pilot-name-generator/) - This isn't really the right forum, but nothing really fits so I'll post it here. I have developed a random pilot name generator using OpenOffice spreadsheets. There are different spreadsheets for each of the nations. Each spreadsheet contains the name of actual ace pilots split into first and last names. To generate a name a
- [Back at the Aerodrome 06/16/2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/back-at-the-aerodrome-06162014/) - Hi Everyone, Tonight's play by play is brought to you by Xantax. If it doesn't say Xantax on the label, then it says something else! Ok, in the top of turn one, we have John B and Carl F. (6/0) flying SE5a's against Andy (2/0) and Scott (2/0) in Alb DIII's with Stephen (0/0) accompanying
- [After Action Report - June 15, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-june-15-2014/) - Fathers' Day FITS is in the books. It was one mission with seven players, pretty long and pretty slow moving. But there was lots of excitement mixed in as well! It was a low altitude battle over the front in September 1918. The Allies were British, with one DH 4 (TJ) and three escorting SE5a's
- [Online Dawn Patrol - HOUSE RULES](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/online-dawn-patrol-house-rules/) - Hi All, I'd like to compile a document with the accepted house rules for use with Online Dawn Patrol. Can those of you who've been playing online longer than me please post here any special rules / adjustments you've been using? We can build a list using forum posts, debate them, and then I'll create
- [After Action Report - June 13, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-june-13-2014/) - We had a special Dawn Patrol game on Friday evening, welcoming Stephen Eide back to the world of Fight in the Skies! Stephen, who hadn't played for a couple of decades, completed an orientation session with Graham, then we dove into an early war game. The game started with two French Nieuport 17s (Graham and
- [Dawn Patrol at Gen Con](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/dawn-patrol-at-gen-con/) - Just a reminder that the FITS Society will be running a full slate of events at Gen Con (August 14-17) in Indianapolis at 8, Noon, 5 and 9. I have attached the scenario list We hope to see you there
- [After Action report -  Monday 06/09/2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-monday-06092014/) - Hello everyone, As they say in radio land, "The hits just keep on a comin' ". Tonight's matchup took place in October of 1917. It was an Allied Fighter Ground attack mission. Front low. Andy Priest (18/3) teamed up with yours truly Scott (5/0) in Belgian Nieuport 17's against a Halberstadt CL II 2 seater
- [After Action Report - June 8, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-june-8-2014/) - Hi All, We just wrapped Sunday night gaming. We started early, with a 4 player game at 6pm central. It was a mission in September of 1918, at medium altitude, that featured Graham and Dennis in British Camel 140s against Jim in an Albatros and TJ in a Fokker D.VI. TJ put quite a few
- [Online Gaming Dates](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/online-gaming-dates/) - Hello all, After surveying online Dawn Patrol players, we've reaffirmed the regular game dates and times as Sunday and Monday evenings at 7pm central time. Those were the optimal time based on 16 survey responses. I hope to see you online at www.roll20.net at those times. Graham
- [After Action Report - June 2, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-june-2-2014/) - Here's a recap of Monday night Dawn Patrol. We had five players and played one mission in about an hour, counting set up, etc.. It was yet another early battle. February 2, 1917, with three Belgians all in Nieuport 11s facing off against two Germans, one Alb D.III and one Roland D.I/II. Scott, Dennis and
- [After Action Report - June 1, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-june-1-2014/) - Wow, 9 players tonight! We had a great turnout for Sunday Night Dawn Patrol. With lots of people, and a couple of people playing for the first time, AND Jim Barber in the game, we ran a bit slower than usual. We got in one mission, set in September of 1917. It was 90 squares
- [After Action Report - May 30, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-may-30-2014/) - We had a small but eventful game night tonight! First, welcome to Dennis Elliott, who played his first online games tonight. I walked Dennis through the system for about 30 minutes, then we jumped in and flew two missions. Dennis gave a very positive review of the experience, but maybe he can post and tell
- [After Action Report - May 26, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-may-26-2014/) - Regular Monday night Dawn Patrol came off as planned on May 26, 2014. We had four players in the first game and five in the second. Jim Barber and John Buckland also made brief appearances but didn't play. Game 1: July 1918, two big block Fokkers against two SE5as at high altitude. It wasn't a
- [After Action Report - May 25, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/after-action-report-may-25-2014/) - The online Dawn Patrol squadron met as planned on Sunday, May 25, 2014. Game 1: A May 1917 confrontation, with Graham and Jeff McInnes in Sopwith Triplanes against Chris O'Halloran and Jim Barber in Albatrosses. Welcome Jeff and Jim to their inaugural online action! The game lasted for 10 turns, but no one was brought
- [Online Squadron Report - 5.18.14](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/online-squadron-report-5-18-14/) - Written by Mr. Cox- "We had a successful game session on Roll20 last night. Seven players for the first game, including Chris for the first time. Welcome, Chris! Four players hung in for a second mission. Lots of Albs and Nieuports -- Alb D.V vs Belgian Nieuport 17s in game 1, and Alb D.II vs
- [Is Dawn Patrol your favorite WWI air-combat game?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/is-dawn-patrol-your-favorite-wwi-air-combat-game/) - About a year ago I introduced my husband to the hobby of WWI air-combat gaming, and it didn't take long for him to become fascinated with it! I started off teaching him "Dawn Patrol" and "Ace of Aces," and, being an engineer, afterward he wanted to learn about all the other sets of rules out
- [Special Roll20 Orientation Session Saturday May 10](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/special-roll20-orientation-session-saturday-may-10/) - Hello everyone, I'll be hosting a special orientation session and Roll20 intro game on Saturday May 10 at 7pm central time. We'll take 20 to 30 minutes to walk new players through the Roll20 interface, and to make sure they have everything set up correctly and ready to go. That includes getting the website working,
- [April 27, 2014 Manfred von Richthofen Game](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/april-27-2014-manfred-von-richthofen-game/) - After my last minute, failed attempt to organize an online game on the 96th anniversary of MvR's death, I'm trying again. Better late than never. If we can get enough people, the game will be this Sunday, April 27 at 7pm Central time. Post here if you're available and interested in playing! Graham
- [DP-PILOTS Launcher](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/dp-pilots-launcher/) - What is the DP-PILOTS Launcer that appears in the Members tab? Carl
- [April 21, 2014 - von Richthofen Memorial Game](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/april-21-2014-von-richthofen-memorial-game/) - Hey all, I'm trying to get people to come to Roll20 tonight for a von Richtofen memorial Dawn Patrol game. April 21, 2014 at 7pm central time. If you're interested, sign on and we'll see you there. Graham
- [Spring Mini Con - Milwaukee April 10th-13th](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/spring-mini-con-milwaukee-april-10th-13th/) - In case you didnt know it was happening...
- [Vassal versus Roll20](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/vassal-versus-roll20/) - Hi All, Here's a topic that might generate some forum traffic ... which do you like better, Vassal or Roll20, and why? One rule -- you have to give the reason you like one or the other better. Better yet, tell us the pros and cons of each from your perspective. Personally, I haven't played
- [Important! Error on Spring Minicon Flyer](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/important-error-on-spring-minicon-flyer/) - The Spring Minicon Flyer in the recent Aerodrome lists two different numbers for the Best Western Plus Hotel (our new location this year). The first phone number listed on the flyer ((414)563-4000) is incorrect. That is the number from the Holiday Inn hotel that was used the last few years. When the reservation desk answered
- [Paging Aaron Gokey](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/paging-aaron-gokey/) - Ok, I'm fast losing hope that I'll get any sort of response to this message. Beginning to suspect that I'm basically the only person that ever checks this forum ... Does anyone know the current whereabouts of Aaron Gokey? Is he still playing? Would love to contact him, and would appreciate an email or other
- [Charts and Stats](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/charts-and-stats/) - Hi All, I'm wondering if someone can hook me up with current copies of the generally accepted random aircraft charts, aircraft stats, etc.. What I have is pretty dated, and I'm sure there are more recent things in use. I can't seem to get the FITS Society member downloads to work, but I am a
- [Positive Review](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/positive-review/) - Hi All, I signed on and played online Dawn Patrol for the first time last night. There were only three of us, so it was an unofficial game, but it allowed us to test out Mark's new "home" for online FITS, Roll20. I thought it went quite well. A bit slower than face to face
- [Aircraft Stats down?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/aircraft-stats-down/) - Mark and I are unable to get to stats page, is it down?
- [Sunday / Monday Evening VASSAL](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/sunday-monday-evening-vassal/) - Happy new year all! Here's to hoping for lots of missions and much luck in 2014!! I am writing because we have had 2 weeks in a row now of nights with 3 people online. I realize the holidays make it tough to get a regular game, but it is frustrating to have 3 excited
- [Can't find the Pay Pal link for paid membership](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/cant-find-the-pay-pal-link-for-paid-membership/) - Greetings, Considering joining the paid section of the Club, but I'm not seeing the Pay Pal link. Thanks, keif149
- [More Online Roster Suggestions - Ranks](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/more-online-roster-suggestions-ranks/) - Martin Stever did a lot of research on medals which has been published in The Aerodrome. His charts included ranks, some of which are new. Here's the lists. Italian Soldato Caporale Sergente Sergente Maggiore Aspirante Sottotenente Tenente Capitano Maggiore Tenente Colennello Austro-Hungarian Korporal Zugsfuhrer Feldwebel Stabsfeldwebel Offizier Stellvertreter Kadett Leutnant Oberleutnant Hauptmann Belgian Caporal Sergeant
- [Download / Play Instructions Posted](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/download-play-instructions-posted/) - I noticed the instructions for getting VASSAL setup seem to be gone from the site. I put a new / old set of instructions out in the downloads area for anyone interested in learning how to get VASSAL setup. We play regularly on Sunday and Monday evenings and would love to have anyone join in!!
- [Black Friday Dawn Patrol](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/black-friday-dawn-patrol/) - We will be online this Friday 11/29/13 at 1:00pm for some online Dawn Patrol action! If you are available we would love for you to join us! Also, we will have an early start time on Sunday at 4 pm for our regular Sunday evening event. Hope to seee you online! -Scott
- [Omaka New Zealand](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/omaka-new-zealand/) - No photos and have not been there but .... I just got back from a cruise from NZ to Sydney last week and bought a book about the incredible museum and knights of the sky airshow out there. Gob smacking stuff with a heap of DRI's flying together and other rare planes. Full size dioramas
- [Belgian Military Museum - Brussels](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/belgian-military-museum-brussels/) - In October 2005, I visited the Belgian Military Museum in Brussels, Belgium , which has a good World War I section with aircraft largely restored in Belgian colors. It has one of only two surviving RE-8s, and the only surviving Halberstadt C.V (unrestored).
- [Back in the air...](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/back-in-the-air/) - Hi all - I'm Alan Carlson. I returned to Minneapolis about a year ago, after getting my introduction to FITS in 1975 or so at the now-defunct Ye Olde Guarde wargaming club in south Minneapolis. (Same time & place I started D&D.) I started wargaming back in 1972, but sold much of my collection in
- [Ace and Experienced Pilots](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/ace-and-experienced-pilots/) - Ace and Experienced Pilots List Update! Posted on behalf of Rick Lacy by Dan Hello fellow aviators! My name is Rick Lacy, and I have volunteered to do the next edition of the Fight in the Skies Society Ace and Experienced Pilot Roster. I hope that fate has been good to you all and given
- [MN Fall Mini Con 2013](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/mn-fall-mini-con-2013/) - I did not see a thread started for this so I thought I would take the liberty. You can bet I will be there. I can't wait!!!! Hope to see a good turnout of pilots! Scott
- [Chicago Gameday 36, Oct. 19th!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/chicago-gameday-36-oct-19th/) - EnWorld Chicago Gameday #36 Date: Saturday October 19th, 2013 Time: 9:30AM - 9PM+... Location: Games Plus, 101 W Prospect Ave, Mount Prospect, Illinois 60056 (847) 577-9656 Hosts: Curt Duval & Jeff Swegler (owners) Details: ENWorld Chicago Gameday is a day of free RPG (and other) gaming held three times a year at Games Plus, in
- [Hello Alls!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/hello-alls/) - Hi my name is Mina, Its good to be here.I got my start on boardgames in my teens (about 1988) with the game Ambush! that my brother turned me onto.I made a squad of all girls and went to war! From then on I was hooked to board games. I played a lot of Shadowrun,Starfleet
- [Wingman Tourney results](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/wingman-tourney-results/) - James Schauer and Bill Hoyer win the tourney and Jim Selzer takes MVP Eric Weiss and Chris Weiser take second George Henion and Blake Taylor take 3rd More in the Aerodrome writeup
- [Master Scenario Chart Files???](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/master-scenario-chart-files/) - Cheerio, everybody! Yesterday I got my welcome packet in the mail from the good Mr. Carr (thanks, Mike!), and he was nice enough to include not only the current Aerodrome issue, but back issue #123 (from Summer 1998). I found issue #123 to be quite interesting because it contained the "Two-Seater Mission Type and Combat
- [Chicago Gameday35 at Games Plus in Mount Prospect](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/chicago-gameday35-at-games-plus-in-mount-prospect/) - EnWorld Chicago Gameday is hosted several times a year and is always FREE to enter and participate. The next scheduled date is for July 13th. I have not requested a table to run Dawn Patrol yet because this is a week before the Wingman Tourney and I want to gauge how many people can attend
- [Private Messaging Enabled](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/private-messaging-enabled/) - You can now send Private Messages to other website users.
- [Wingman Tournament](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/wingman-tournament/) - Is anyone planning on attending this event in July? I am trying to work out the details. I am not for sure yet.
- [Dr 1 engines](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/dr-1-engines/) - I've was reading about Dr1's and came across an interesting fact. It seems most Dr1's were built with the 110 hp Oberursel UR III engine. The "Top Aces" flew the 110 hp Thulin LeRhone 9J engine. Since both are 100 hp engines what was the major difference? Paul
- [What's in a name?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/whats-in-a-name/) - I curious as to how many of my fellow card board aviators have pilot names with a story behind them. Usually, I look up a first name for the appropriate nationality in the charts that were included in edition 7, next I'll Google popular surnames for the country involved and choose one. Now my stable
- [EGame20](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/egame20/) - This is the new thread for the next EGame, #20. Please respond below and I will add your name to this list: Jason S. George H. Carl P. Andy P. Dan W. Paul Z. Scott K. Rick L. I hope that everyone had a great Memorial Day weekend!
- [Many Thanks](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/many-thanks/) - Hello All, I'm somewhat new to the Dawn Patrol and Virtual Dawn Patrol community. I wanted to take this opportunity to thank all the virtual pilots who have allowed me to fly with them and have taken the time (and patience) to teach a newbie. I'm enjoying this very much. Again thank you all. Paul
- [Membership processing - and sending e-mails - ???](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/membership-processing-and-sending-e-mails/) - I've got three questions, and I can't figure out anywhere else to put them. The first is -- how do I send a message to another member? I wanted to send a message to dan, as apparently he's in charge of the group, but when I went to his profile I couldn't find any way
- [Forgot to tell Jim Barber my user name](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/forgot-to-tell-jim-barber-my-user-name/) - I recently sent to Jim Barber a check for the membership dues to join FitS (I've never been a member of FitS before -- I'm a newbie!), and naturally I'm eagerly awaiting the opportunity to access the members-only aspects of this site. However, I just realized in the letter I wrote I forgot to tell
- [Ventrilo](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/ventrilo/) - Hey everyone who plays the VDP! I just recently figured out how to host a server through my computer so we can do voice chatting. It makes trash talking much easier and then you would only need to type in numerical values and such. I think it might speed up gameplay too! Respond to this
- [Saturday 20 April...  9:30 am  Games in Minnesota](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/saturday-20-april-930-am-games-in-minnesota/) - Hi ALl, Those of you in the Twin Cities Saturday Morning are welcome to join in for some games at my place. 9:30 am until there is no longer a foursome.. (35 yrs ago we played the 24 hours Death of VonRichtofen commeration games...) don't think we will hit 24 hours... but at least 3
- [E-game 19 Starting!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/e-game-19-starting/) - I am going to be starting a new and exciting... no thrilling... no captivating e-game! If you are interested in playing, please reply to this thread. If you think i might not have your email address, please PM me.
- [Overseas membership payments](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/overseas-membership-payments/) - Hi, I would like to pay 2 years worth of subs but the paypal link is not operating on this site. If someone would be kind enough to provide me with the sellers email and the amount for this plus postage to Australia I can make a payment directly through paypal myself. That saves messing
- [Chicago Gameday 34 at Games Plus Mount Prospect](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/chicago-gameday-34-at-games-plus-mount-prospect/) - I am hosting a Dawn Patrol session at Games Plus in Mount Prospect on Saturday March 23rd, 2013. The "convention" is free, all events are also free to enter. The time slot is slated for 9:30 to 2:30, but there is a break in between events from 2:30 to 3:30. And when the afternoon events
- [A Re-Introduction](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/a-re-introduction/) - Hi, I'm Kirk Hoffman. I've lived in Huntsville, AL since 1997 but prior to that called St. Louis home for 18 years. I grew up in Chicago though so all my favorite teams hail from The Windy City. I've been an avid wargamer since the early 70's, starting out (as many of us did) with
- [Two Days - Two Pilots](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/two-days-two-pilots/) - I lost my second pilot in two days last night when the Nieuport 28 of Lt Thomas Charles was brought down by German fighters well behind the German lines. His prop shaft was hit causing a massive vibaration, meaning he had to glide to the ground. He successfully landed and evaded capture for a while,
- [E-Game 17 Has Started](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/e-game-17-has-started/) - E-game 17 has just started and it looks like it'll be a real barn burner - maybe literally. Three DH-4's escorted by a lone Camel have crossed the lines and have dropped to treetop level and are looking to bomb a German railyard where there are tank cars filled with hydrogen. While doing this they
- [New Vassal Live Setup trick!!!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/new-vassal-live-setup-trick/) - I recently discovered a new trick to help remove some of the clutter and confusion when playing the live game. Follow these instructions, maybe even print this and keep it handy when you log on: Open Vassal first of course... 1) Double-click on the Module in the left hand column of the Vassal Main window
- [VDP on 2/11/13](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/vdp-on-21113/) - We had a couple interesting games tonight. The first was three FE-2b's trying to survive against three Alb DIII's. The Fee's had a height advantage and we're hoping to just get in a couple quick shots and get away, but one of them was drawn into a fight with all three Huns before finally escaping
- [VDP 2/4/13](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/vdp-2413/) - It was sort of hard to keep track of all the planes coming and going, but I think we had ten participants in the first game last night. It was five Camels against four Fokker DVII (185)'s and a lone Pfalz DXII. The Fokkers ganged up on one lone Camel on turn one but after
- [Observers](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/observers/) - Which chart do observers fire on? I've searched and searched the rules and can't find it. Note for Version 8: Add a flexible gun chart to the Range/Firepower Effectiveness Index
- [Philosophy Questions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/philosophy-questions/) - There are a couple DP rules that have always left me scratching my head. The first is the fact one gains one square of horizontal movement for every 100' dived, yet there is no corresponding loss of movement when climbing. As we all know, DP games have an ahistorical tendency to constantly gain altitide. I'm
- [VDP Monday 01/28/13](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/vdp-monday-012813/) - We had a GREAT turn out this evening!!!! We had a record eight players in the first game of the evening. I have never played online with so many people at one time. It was a blast! Be sure to join us every Sunday and Monday evening at 7pm CST. See you there!
- [Monday Night Recap](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/monday-night-recap/) - We had some exciting games last night... featuring Mark's 100th VDP game that pitted 3 Hannovers vs. 3 British RE8s! There was planes smoking, blowing up then not blowing up - gliding planes being shot at and I even came VERY close to shooting down the plane that had turned me into a glider!! Fun
- [Spring Mini Con 2013](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/spring-mini-con-2013/) - I am looking forward to seeing everyone at the Spring Mini con 2013 in Milwaukee again this year! I had a great time last year and anticipate a great time this year too! :woohoo: See you in the skies! ~Great Shot Scott
- [Minnesota Ghost Jasta Dice](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/minnesota-ghost-jasta-dice/) - I am a member of the Minnesota "Ghost" Jasta Squadron. My name is Scott Kolar and I am probably one of the newest members to the FITS Society. I have been playing Dawn Patrol (aka FITS) for about a year and a half now. I LOVE this game and only wish I had started playing
- [VDP Online Tonight!  7PM CST  -  Weekly Sun & Mon](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/vdp-online-tonight-7pm-cst-weekly-sun-mon/) - We have been playing weekly on Sunday and Monday evenings starting around 7PM CST, sometimes earlier. The more the merrier so please come join us!
- [Dawn Patrol Official Website News](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/dawn-patrol-official-website-news/) - Dawn Patrol Official Website News The Dawn Patrol website was hacked in October of 2012. The damage to the site and vulnerability of the older version of software we were using prompted me to work on an overhaul of the website. Just a few weeks later, the overhaul was mostly complete and I was ready
- [MN mini-con 2012](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/mn-mini-con-2012/) - The 5th annual MN mini-con is fast approaching which is scheduled for the weekend of Oct 12-14th, 2012. Game location will once again be at Tower Games on 48th and Nicollet in Mpls. Set these dates in your sights and reserve your pilot's seat for a great weekend of fun and fellowship. ~Great Shot Scott
- [VDP tonight 09/16 at 7pm](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/vdp-tonight-0916-at-7pm/) - Hope to see you in the virtual skies!!!!
- [Recommended back issues](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/recommended-back-issues/) - I'm considering buying a bundle of back issues and I'm curious as to which issues are some of people's favorites. Can anybody give me some recommendations, along with some amplifying information on why? It would really help me make a decision. Thanks in advance!
- [Vassal live game: 8/26/12](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/vassal-live-game-82612/) - Well I am usually not one to post a recap of an evening's activities, but this one is easy enough: We had four players join live Vassal tonight. Rick Lacy and myself were flying Camels(110)up against Carl and Andy Priest flying an Alb DVa and a Fokker DVI respectively. Game date was June of '18.
- [Andrew Priest](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/andrew-priest/) - Hi Everyone, The Minnesota "Ghost" Squadron is losing one of its "TOP" Aces. Andy has accepted a promising job offer in California and will be moving at the end of this month. Even though he will be living in California, he will always be a part of our crew! Andy, along with his father Carl,
- [Game 15 over](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/game-15-over/) - Thanks for the game guys. I enjoyed myself and found it was very much a game of anticipation where it was easy to go the "wrong" way. I guess that would be similar to any WWI furball Not sure what the final outcome was but I imagine the bombers were the victors as they managed
- [Albatros Flight Videos posted](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/albatros-flight-videos-posted/) - If you scroll down a little on the home page, you will find a post I just completed that was submitted by Mike Carr. Thanks Mike! Dan
- [Australian War Memorial](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/australian-war-memorial/) - Hi All, Just over a week ago we decided to take a road trip from Adelaide down to Melbourne to watch a football game in Australia's only undercover football stadium (ETIHAD Stadium) and then on the following day we went on to our National Capital, Canberra. My brother in law is here on a visit
- [Dawn Patrol](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/dawn-patrol/) - I watched the Dawn Patrol movie the other night. I thought it was quite good, anyone else seen this?
- [Is this legal?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/is-this-legal/) - I came across this whilst researching a thread on the old Avalon Game Richtofen's War http://gamers-garage.com/dawn-patrol-p-398.html For $7 you can download the whole TSR Dawn Patrol game in PDF/Doc format! Seems not quite right when I just paid more than $100 to get an original boxed set express delivered through Amazon.:unsure:
- [Greetings!!!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/greetings-2/) - Hello! I first saw this game in a TSR catalog way back in the early 80s (a catalog I still have!) and have been looking for it ever since. problem is I am from Puerto Rico and we have VERY few wargame stores here so a couple decades later (3 weeks ago) I won a
- [EGame15](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/egame15/) - OK everybody. Time for another email game. This one will be limited to the first five players who respond here. Scenario: June 3, 1916. Eastern front! The day before the Brusilov Offensive, a pair of Russian Ilya Muromets move to destroy a balloon position and any artillery they encounter in the area. Please respond in
- [Squadron Report 05/11/12](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/squadron-report-051112/) - Hello, We had a great get together with Mark Stevenson who was in town for a L5R tournament in Mpls. Myself, Carl and Andrew and Dutch meet up with Mark after the games were winding down and played 4 games of Dawn Patrol. We even had a new player (David) join us. He really liked
- [wounded observers](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/wounded-observers/) - We have always played that it is up to the targeting plane to ask if an observer is still manning his mg. ie the 2seat does not have to announce the observer is not at his post. I was wondering how other people handled the situation.
- [Spring Minicon 2012](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/spring-minicon-2012/) - Who all is coming?
- [The VDP Map](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/the-vdp-map/) - Kevan posted a link to the map and instructions on how to piece the printed sheets together a couple of years ago but that link is dead. Does anyone have a copy of the map that I can download please. I think the big map would look great on my table top and it looks
- [Squadron Report 03/06](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/squadron-report-0306/) - We got in 3 missions last night. Game #2 had a balloon that would not go down. John Buckland lost a 17/3 pilot to John Harris. The pilot was yet unnamed. There was smoke and fire and the usual camaraderie that makes this game so great. I did not take notes on last night's games
- [WWI Aircraft](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/wwi-aircraft/) - Well, I haven't built one lately but I do have a collection of WWI aircraft that may be of some interest to folks. Or if you're looking for a plastic model of an aircraft let me know. You can reach me by email: engco45@yahoo.com. Looks like I may have to build some myself.
- [Looking for a squadron](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/looking-for-a-squadron/) - It has been a while, longer than I would like to admit that I have played. Heck, I don't even know if I can find my box set after all these years. But if anybody is in the Washington DC area, let me know. I'd like to get back into the clouds once again, and
- [Looking for David Eatock. U.K player mid 1980's](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/looking-for-david-eatock-u-k-player-mid-1980s/) - David Eatock introduced me to Dawn Patrol in 1982/83. We used to play D&D 1st edition too. Lost touch when he went to university. Would love to hear from him or of him. Dave we still play DP here in Blackpool fancy a game? Phil T Email taylor.p32@sky.com
- [Heavy German losses](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/heavy-german-losses/) - Hi, There has been a lot of action lately online. We have met for the past two evenings (Monday 2/20 and Tuesday 2/21). Unfortunately, my German pilots have not done so well and have suffered losses both evenings. Monday evening was a photo mission. I was to take photos of the railroad bridge flying an
- [Sunday night games](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/sunday-night-games/) - Hi everyone, We had some great fun last night playing FITS online. We got in two games. The first was a five player game with Fokker DVII's going up against Spad XIII's. The Germans had some trouble and headed for the clouds. The second was a North Sea game at low altitude over land with
- [Weekly Online games](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/weekly-online-games/) - Hi everyone, We have been having a lot of fun lately playing FITS online. We get together just about every Monday evening. We have also played on Wednesday evenings if there are enough players for a game. There is always room for more. Come join the fun! We meet online about 7pm.
- [FreikorpKalamazoo website](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/freikorpkalamazoo-website/) - This might not be the best place to post this but... Thanks to Jim Phillips, we have reconnected with our old friend Rob Hoenschell, founding member of the Korps.Rob is my Boelcke in the world of DP.I learned so much from him when I first learned to play. Anyway,he has become adept with computers over
- [Online Games](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/online-games/) - I might be willing and able to give online games a go. However, I have no idea how this works, what software I need, where to get it, etc.. Can anyone point me in the right direction? And I am absolutely not a tech expert ... Graham
- [01/22/12 online games](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/012212-online-games/) - Hi everyone, Last night saw as many as 6 players for the first online game. In attendance were Lynn Held, Grady Held, Mark Stevenson, Andy Priest, Carl Priest and Scott Kolar. Game #1 took place in July of 1917 with Nieuport 17's vs Alb DIII's. A moderate scuffle ensued but all planes soon parted ways.
- [Solitaire Scenario](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/solitaire-scenario/) - Hi everyone, I needed a "fix" :woohoo: so I broke out my board and played a DP solitaire scenario. My game consisted of two of the best fighters from WWI. A Fokker DR I and a Sopwith Camel (150). There was six rounds of exchanging led back and forth. At the end of round six,
- [01/16/12 VDP Online games](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/011612-vdp-online-games/) - Hi Everyone, Well we had four show up for a show down of might! Lynn Held, Mark Stevenson, Andy Priest and myself (Scott Kolar) squared off for 2 online missions. The first game was horrific for me! Yours truly lost a 4/0 British pilot (2nd Lt Peter Pennington) in the sights of Mark (Dead Eye)
- [Halloooo!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/halloooo/) - Obvious new member. Just found my old copy of this. Looking for Weird War I ideas. Love biplanes since day one-started gaming in 1968. See ya around.
- [EGame14](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/egame14/) - Hope everyone enjoyed the holiday season! And lets start 2012 with some more Dawn Patrol right off the bat! I will run another email game, it will begin on Jan 1 as long as I have between 6 and 8 players interested. Planes will be SPAD XIII for the Americans and Fokker DVII (185) for
- [do you guys still exist?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/do-you-guys-still-exist/) - been looking for you at gamers inn, cant find you two weeks running. apped to your squad website, still pending. are you still actively playing at gamers? did you change times? i havent ever played this game but it looks like it would be amazing to play. any response here or to my email vaargtuyole@hotmail.com
- [Squadron Report 12/06](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/squadron-report-1206/) - We flew 5 missions this evening. It was a lot of fun as always. Some highlights of the evening were: -Andrew lost a 18/3 pilot at the merciless hands of John Buckland. Congratulations John! -John Harris found out the meaning of "sting in the tail" as he flew within 250 feet of John Buckland's 2
- [Fort Myers, Florida:  Looking for opponents!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/fort-myers-florida-looking-for-opponents/) - Just relocated to Florida and would very much like to find opponents for a rousing game of Dawn Patrol. Would also be interested in running a role - playing campaign of same. Anyone interested in the area, please let me know!
- [Pfalz D 12  upgrade](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/pfalz-d-12-upgrade/) - Is there an official chart for determining which version of the Pfalz D12 you might roll up before a game? Thanks Dan
- [interested in VDP?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/interested-in-vdp/) - If so, then send me your email address and we will try to set up a night for a weekly game.
- [Sunday, Aug. 28, at 8:00 pm](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/sunday-aug-28-at-800-pm/) - I'm in. Who else?
- [Sunday night at 8:00 (8/28/11)](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/sunday-night-at-800-82811/) - looking for enough players to play online this Sunday at 8:00 pm. I'm in!
- [Counters](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/counters/) - Uploaded a second set of Artillery counters in the members only are. For those who haven't seen the other threads, you can download a (currently) !.complete set of plane counters as currnetly indicated in the rollup charts 2 Trains and vehichles 3.Artillery There may be a few more tidbits in there as well. Have fun
- [Thanks for a great Gen Con](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/thanks-for-a-great-gen-con/) - Thanks to all those who Judged,played and helped make this year a rousing success and see you all in 2012 George
- [MN Mini-con 2011](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/mn-mini-con-2011/) - Hello All, We are working on putting together the 4th Annual MN Mini-con this fall, and I am taking a survey on which possible dates work best for people, so here is what we are considering, let us know if any of them work better or worse!! Weekends of (Saturday date is listed, event would
- [any good new player handouts out there?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/any-good-new-player-handouts-out-there/) - I'm hosting an early Saturday morning Dawn Patrol game this year at Gen Con. I'd love to come to the big Saturday AM game, but my friends & I all have booths in the exhibit hall to be at these days... so we have to do our own thing. I'm wondering if there are any
- [Stuck in a Circle](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/stuck-in-a-circle/) - An enemy attacks you from the tail, then announces he is tailing. Meanwhile, you take a critical hit that sticks you in a right circle. Can you pull the right turn card? Or, are you forced to pull the circle card? Dan
- [Interest in Live Online Game!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/interest-in-live-online-game/) - Hello All, At the State Challenge tourney this past weekend, there was converstaion of interest in starting up some live games again via VDP. I thought I would start a new thread here to let users try to get some live games going again. I would be happy to give any 'new users' a tutorial
- [Am in San Diego for the week](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/am-in-san-diego-for-the-week/) - Anyone around San Diego have a game I might crash?
- [Cheating or Good Tactics?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/cheating-or-good-tactics/) - Hey guys, Had posted this this question in relation to ongoing thread in "Who are You?..." Forum, but looking for advice and reposting here: How do you handle cloudbanks in your games :unsure: ? In particular, how do you discourage, other than points loss, players from 'escaping' into cloud? I had cooked up an intro
- [Bring out your dead...](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/bring-out-your-dead/) - Hey guys, As you know we have a Missing Man tournament every July, Jim Barber mentioned that perhaps we should keep track of those we have lost. Kindly add to the list if you wish. Dawn Patrols Missing Men Brian Marty Jim Pearce Michael Jackson Cris Martin Kerry Nash Harley Tom Herrin
- [Gen Con 2011](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/gen-con-2011/) - Who all is planning on being there?
- [2nd time around....](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/2nd-time-around/) - Hello. I am getting back into Dawn Patrol after a lengthy hiatus; went searching online for a copy after feeling a bit nostalgic, and bought one on impulse. I have a dedicated group of comrades-in-arms who meet pretty much every week, and I am expanding their horizons when it comes to RPGs. We started off
- [EGame13](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/egame13/) - {An excerpt from the Rise of Flight website}: The first offensive patrol was flown on April 5, 1917, but proved to be a disastrous debut for the Bristol. The patrol consisted of six F.2As and was led by Captain I.V. Leefe-Robinson, V.C. When over Douai, they were attacked by five Albatros D.IIIs led by Manfred
- [Tailing and the Circle maneuver](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/tailing-and-the-circle-maneuver/) - In the Tailing section under Reversals, part b) states: If the attacker can match the target's maneuver with one of the cards in his hand, then the attacker must perform that same maneuver immediately or be reversed (see below). {This is referring to Circle, Loop, or Stall maneuvers only.} So my first question would be:
- [current e-game discussion thread](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/current-e-game-discussion-thread/) - It was brought to my attention that we do not have a thread running for the current e-games they are starting, so let's get one started!!! We have TWO games starting up now, so it's great to see VEDP back up and running!! Feel free to posts questions, banter, anything you like!
- [Greetings!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/greetings/) - Hello everyone, My name is Scott Kolar. I am very new to this forum and the Dawn Patrol Game. I have had a copy of this game since the early 1990's. I received it from a friend and have never opened it until recently. It was brand new untouched by the previous owner. I am
- [Announcement From Mike Carr regarding Memberships](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/announcement-from-mike-carr-regarding-memberships/) - All, Here is an announcement from Mike Carr regarding 2011 memberships. I edited it slightly to make sense for this audience but this is considered official: Due to the fact that we only produced two issues of AERODROME in 2010, we will not ask for 2011 renewals from current members -- we will carry all
- [GaryCon 3, March 25 - 27 2011](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/garycon-3-march-25-27-2011/) - Thought I would post a thread for general discussion for the Con. It appears that the online catalog has been released. However, only the Friday event is listed for Dawn Patrol. I feel like I should also point out that the website for GaryCon leaves much to be desired. For example, it took me some
- [Spring Minicon 2011](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/spring-minicon-2011/) - Hi All, More details will follow but it is scheduled April 8-10 in Milwaukee. We have many exciting things planned for the 20th anniversary of the con. We hope to see all of you there George
- [Squardon Report 1/4](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/squardon-report-14/) - Three total games Two pusher missions Two balloon missions quite the night
- [2011 Team Tourney (maybe)](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/2011-team-tourney-maybe/) - Hi all, Just wondering what the interest in this would be. We would have it on the Thursday before the Mini con, with the Finals the morning of day 1 of the Mini con. We would need to have 4 teams for this to work. Thoughts George
- [1982e Range/FP Effectiveness for flex guns?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/1982e-rangefp-effectiveness-for-flex-guns/) - I have a 1982 copy of Dawn Patrol, and am just moving up to the advanced rules, and two-seaters. I can't find anything indicating how to use the hit table for flex guns, except for the deflection modifiers. Any help will be greatly appreciated! Also, how does the use of twin mount flex guns differ
- [Thomas morse S4c Stats?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/thomas-morse-s4c-stats/) - Has anyone come up with stats on the "Tommy"? I'd like to try the plane out just for fun. Any help would be appreciated!
- [Curtiss-Ely Pusher](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/curtiss-ely-pusher/) - Here is a special event on the USS George HW Bush Aircraft carrier to celebrate the start of Naval aviation: http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=94182
- [minatures](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/minatures/) - see if it works this time!
- [My EXP with the game](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/my-exp-with-the-game/) - Well, I never played FITS..... sorry to say. I have however played DAWN PATROL since about 83-85 in Arizona. It was the most fun I had in a game, I found a group of DP players in a hobby store one day and got invited out to learn the game, best decision I have ever
- [hand modeled minatures](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/hand-modeled-minatures/) - Just started making my own minatures... They are not replica's or even to scale, they are however the perfect size to use on the map that comes in the box set! Thought you all might like a look at them.
- [Greetings all](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/greetings-all/) - While I'm new to this forum, I'm a long time FITS player, going back to 1982. I've been on and off since then. On again of course. I live in Alaska and have introduced this great game to a new set of players here. I just wanted to say hi and hope to make new
- [Game Day in IL!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/game-day-in-il/) - This is an all day gaming event to try and get people of IL, MI, and WI together, but all are invited from other states if they want to make the trip! Mike Carr will be in attendance. We will have several tables of course, but there will also be a training table for newer
- [Death Notice](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/death-notice/) - It is with a heavy heart that we note the passing of one of our own, Kerry Nash, who passed away this last weekend. Here is a link to his obituarty http://www.madison.com/obit/159388 We wish his family well in this time of Grief. George
- [Camel 165's](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/camel-165s/) - On Oct. 7th the 185th Sqd. commanded by Major Harold E. Hartney took to the air in Sopwith Camels retooled with 165 Monosoupape engine. According to the Major all camels in this squadron were outfitted with these motors, he flew one himself and reported that it outclassed all other planes of the period. Hey Al,
- [Fayetteville, AR](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/fayetteville-ar/) - Seriously interested in finding some players!
- [Minnesota Mini-Con October 1st - 3rd !!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/minnesota-mini-con-october-1st-3rd/) - Please see the EVENT REGISTRATION tab under COMMUNITY for more info! Let me know if you have any questions!!
- [2010 Gen Con Open](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/2010-gen-con-open/) - This event had a TIE this year at +82 between two longtime FITS players, Richard Kapustanczek and Bruce Yoder, so they are both winners. Thanks to all who showed up and made Gen Con a great success, and maybe we will gain a few new players. George
- [Chicago IL players?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/chicago-il-players/) - It has come to my attention that there might be a couple of Chicagoland players out there. Maybe even a web admin in the vicinity... My name is Mark and I am looking for a game. I live in Worth (SW suburbs). I am capable of hosting a game, as I won a copy DP
- [So who won the wingman tourney?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/so-who-won-the-wingman-tourney/) - Looking for results
- [Blue Max streaming](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/blue-max-streaming/) - http://motionempire.com/Watch_The_Blue_Max_-1966-_Movie_Online_for_Free_87809.html
- [Gen Con 2010 Schedule of Events](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/gen-con-2010-schedule-of-events/) - As posted on the front page - Click here for the Gen Con 2010 schedule of events Thanks George!
- [Anyone Have Printable Maneuvre Cards?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/anyone-have-printable-maneuvre-cards/) - I'm running a big game on Sunday that will be mostly players who are new to the game, so I need another couple of decks of maneuvre cards. Does anyone have an electronic file that I could use to print out new decks?
- [Landing on a AA](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/landing-on-a-aa/) - So if a pilot lands and during rollout hits a MG or AA. Do you roll on the colliding with ground obstacle table? I believe the answer is yes but I would love to hear an informed opinion. ~~Jim
- [Upcoming opportunity to see WWI aircraft replicas](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/upcoming-opportunity-to-see-wwi-aircraft-replicas/) - For those of you who might be able to make it.. I am not yet sure if I will get out there or not this year. http://airventure.org/news/2010/100114_replicas.html
- [Looking for Wingman for the July Tournament](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/looking-for-wingman-for-the-july-tournament/) - Anyone else looking for Wingman? July 23, 2010 (12:00 pm) - July 24, 2010 (1:30 pm) Post your requests here.
- [Squadron Report 4.21.10](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/squadron-report-4-21-10/) - We had a great Richtofen memorial game with miniatures... Full report coming soon!!
- [Milwaukee, April 15-18](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/milwaukee-april-15-18/) - Hey this is TJ from Michigan. I was wondering if anybody has pictures from the event and if you could email me them that would be great. osborn39@msu.edu
- [Thanks](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/thanks/) - I just wanted to say Thanks to all of those who attended the 2010 Spring minicon, it would not be possible without YOU. Next year will be the official 20th year anniversary minicon, and we will be putting on some very special things for it, if there is anything you would like to see at
- [Masters Game 2010](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/masters-game-2010/) - the 2010 Masters cup was won by Carl Priest Thanks to all who participated.
- [Spring Mini-con 10](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/spring-mini-con-10/) - Hey guys having fun wish you were here!!
- [Intro to Dawn Patrol](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/intro-to-dawn-patrol/) - Hi, Jennifer was reading the following intro, http://dawnpatrol.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=22&Itemid=45 and noticed that the article is seriously need of an update. Thanks George
- [Team Tournament](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/team-tournament/) - About 30 years ago I was part of a 4-on-4 FITS Society team tournment. The concept was simple: fly with the same flight of players mission after mission, emphasizing the role of the wingman. Then, I believe most teams of four arrived together. Now, we could be flexible enough to allow individuals or smaller teams
- [Spring warm up](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/spring-warm-up/) - Gentlemen... and anyone who feels slighted by that title. The Arizona contingent (meaning Scott and Jim) will arrive on thursday. If you want a little warm up stop by and we will shoot you down in flames:P Have fun ~~Jim
- [VDP Resurrection!!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/vdp-resurrection/) - Now is the time to get VDP going again. I think we should start with a once a month game since weekly games have not been able to keep up momentum. I propose we play on Saturday afternoons/evenings. As such, I have randomly selected the 2nd Saturday of this month, April 10th, as our first
- [Squadron Report 3.23.10](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/squadron-report-3-23-10/) - We had a foursome last night with the highlight being Kurt getting 3 kills in 2 missions! Mission #1- Sept 1917. Kurt & John H attacking an Allied balloon in an Alb DV & Pflaz DIII vs. AP & John B in British Nieuports. The Germans were able to dive in & blow up the
- [GaryCon is this weekend and mini-con approaching!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/garycon-is-this-weekend-and-mini-con-approaching/) - So who is going to either one or both? Unfortunately I cannot make it to Gary-Con, my wife is doing a church retreat this weekend. I will however be at the Milwaukee mini-con, hope to see a bunch of you there. Dan W
- [DP Aircraft Stats Sevice](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/dp-aircraft-stats-sevice/) - The stats service is not working and I need it for DP games. So if we could figure out what the problem is and get it fixed quick that would be most apreciated.
- [Dawn Patrol at PrairieCon XXXI June 4-6](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/dawn-patrol-at-prairiecon-xxxi-june-4-6/) - I thought I'd throw up a post here to let everyone know that Dawn Patrol still exists in the Great White North. PrairieCon is a small convention (~300 gamers) here in Brandon, Manitoba. I've been running a Dawn Patrol session at the convention for the last three years. I've been lazy in not submitting session
- [Squadron Report 3/10](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/squadron-report-310/) - We have welcomed to new players to the 'circle' in the last few weeks and flown some great barn-burner missions! Look for more details soon....
- [New Poll](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/new-poll/) - Please vote on the new poll found on the My DP Page I am asking about your current mobile phone device - trying to determine whether or not there are enough users to make another cell phone app for dawn patrol.
- [Turn-based flash game](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/turn-based-flash-game/) - I had to share this flash game with my DP friends. It spans individual fights from WWI and II: http://armorgames.com/play/5426/steambirds
- [Rise of Flight multiplayer PC game](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/rise-of-flight-multiplayer-pc-game/) - I am behind on reading my PC Gamer magazines.. anyway, I just came across a review for Rise Of Flight for the pc. It is a WW1 air combat game made by a Russian development company. The review gave it an 82% with the only real negatives mentioned about it being that the single player
- [General ground-scenario tips?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/general-ground-scenario-tips/) - When y'all play games with ground objectives, do you usually try to maintain balance -- or do you just set things up with the notion, "Hey, this looks like it might be interesting, so let's give it a whirl"? I'm curious because I didn't see any specific rules -- or even any pre-made scenarios --
- [Gary Con Event info has been updated](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/gary-con-event-info-has-been-updated/) - The Gary Con event info has been updated with new info I received from Mike Carr. Click here to view the event
- [Game with odd numbered players](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/game-with-odd-numbered-players/) - Interesting challenge or a hassle? I guess it depends a lot on the aircraft involved, but as a general rule do you think it is a new challenge or flat out unfair?
- [Anyone have their Aerodrome handy?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/anyone-have-their-aerodrome-handy/) - Does anyone have their Aerodrome handy? I need the dates for the Spring Mini-Con (the one in Milwaukee), so I can add the info to the website. I forgot to look at it this morning and now I am at work - and I keep forgetting once I get home and the kids attack me
- [Call for Gen Con judges](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/call-for-gen-con-judges-2/) - Please let me know if you are interested in judging events at Gen Con 2010, both Dawn patrol and non Dawn Patrol events. Thanks George
- [Next E-mail game?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/next-e-mail-game/) - Any plans to start a new email game? I'm definitely interested in playing. Jason
- [Looking for Frank Fererro, Walt Carr,Scott Kinsley](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/looking-for-frank-fererro-walt-carrscott-kinsley-2/) - I have a rather spectacular Dawn Patrol project that requires the participation of several people from the old Morris, Illinois squadron. I am looking to get into contact with: Frank Fererro Walt Carr Scott Kinsley Rick (last name unknown) Tracy (last name unknown) Clark (last name unknown) All were associated with the Morris gang in
- [Looking for Frank Fererro, Walt Carr,Scott Kinsley](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/looking-for-frank-fererro-walt-carrscott-kinsley/) - I have a rather spectacular Dawn Patrol project that requires the participation of several people from the old Morris, Illinois squadron. I am looking to get into contact with: Frank Fererro Walt Carr Scott Kinsley Rick (last name unknown) Tracy (last name unknown) Clark (last name unknown) All were associated with the Morris gang in
- [MN Mini-Con Photos are up in the gallery](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/mn-mini-con-photos-are-up-in-the-gallery/) - Here is the link (but you can find it in the Community > Main Gallery tab too): MN Mini-con Gallery My apologies to anyone who has tried to use the gallery function since the hosting service moved our site to a new server in August. The permissions were all wrong and it did not work
- [Squadron Report 12.22.09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/squadron-report-12-22-09/) - I havent written up our weekly games lately, but thought this one deserved a good writeup... October 22nd, 1916. AP is proudly flying his 1500th mission of FITS, and he, Carl and Mike H. take off in their trusty Alb CIIIs and head across Allied lines for a ground attack mission. On their way they
- [Naming Pilots](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/naming-pilots/) - Who does it? Who is superstitious about it? Do you only name aces? I'm a very new player but can't seem to stop reading all I can about the game and WWI aviation. My productivity has really fallen off here at work.
- [Ground Obstacles](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/ground-obstacles/) - had an epipnany last night while being tailed last night and ended up with my tail facing a balloon. If the guy tailing me ended up with the below the tail shot he would be rolling on the ground obstacle chart. Now is that correct or is there an automatic collision in a square under
- [New Vassal Engine version  3.1.13 is out](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/new-vassal-engine-version-3-1-13-is-out/) - Vassal Engine version 3.1.13 has been released - http://www.vassalengine.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2684 Andy - we should probably run a test with it sometime soon so we don't have an issue once a real VDP game night happens (I still have hope
- [Setting up a VDP Gaming Group](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/setting-up-a-vdp-gaming-group/) - All, I just had this idea today after reading Andy's message about setting up a new regular night to play VDP. I would love it if we somehow had an online client to see when our "buddies" get online and we could invite them to play a pickup game of VDP, or if we missed
- [Holiday Weekend VDP Revival?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/holiday-weekend-vdp-revival/) - There has been some interest from players to attempt to revive an online game, so I am throwing the holiday weekend out there. Anyone interested in attempting to organize a foursome? I would suggest Saturday morning, any takers or other suggestions? The more talk of schedule availability (for future weeks as well) the better chance
- [Counter Sheets](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/counter-sheets/) - Tired of rolling up planes and not having a counter to represent it? Now available in the download area complete counter sheets for both the allies and the central powers. Hope you enjoy! ~~Jim
- [Aerodrome submissions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/aerodrome-submissions/) - Hey guys the next edition is underway please submit anything you want in the next Aerodrome to Mason_Jar1@hotmail.com All you Gencon judges send in your reports. This means you too Mr Carr.
- [Squadron Report 10.17.09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/squadron-report-10-17-09/) - Carl, myself, John B, Mike H, Dino and his Son Matthew got together for some games Sat. morning. Game #1 was SPAD 7s (Mike H, myself & Matthew) fending off a German photo recon mission with Carl in a DFW, John in a Pfalz DIII and Dino in a Pfalz DXII. The Allies won initiative,
- [SPECIAL MANEUVERS LIMITATION PAGE 4](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/special-maneuvers-limitation-page-4/) - Under special maneuvers section page 4, it states a plane can use any number of simple maneuvers during its movement but only one altitude, reversal or fancy maneuver is allowed. The climb and dive(Altitude maneuvers) are explained to be restricted only during tailing or collision situations leaving reversal and fancy maneuvers. So my understanding is
- [Squadron Report 10.10.09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/squadron-report-10-10-09/) - Mike Carr was in town and brought guest Earl Leyda from Milwaukee for a Gopher game. Harry, Charlie, Mark and myself joined them for some great 6 player games. The highlight was Mike and AP in German 2 -seaters hugging a cloudbank while Charlie, Mark and Earl in Camels danced to avoid head on shots...
- [Would this work? How open are you to this?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/would-this-work-how-open-are-you-to-this/) - If there was a rule stating that before movement and after movement order had been established an aircraft can fire a short burst at any target in it's forward field of fire or could nose up or nose down firing at an enemy above or below. This would as well apply to rear gunners as
- [Ace of Aces](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/ace-of-aces/) - As many of you may know our rich history has never included an Ace of Aces. There has been an informal competition over the last decade or so to be able to add that accolade to our list of honors. The current leaders each have three Ace kills. In that veign let us applaud Tully
- [New Member](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/new-member/) - Hello all, I'm new to this group but I've first gamed FITS back in the late '70's jumped all over Dawn Patrol and played heavily with my club for 4-5 years in Cedar Rapids, Iowa until we all graduated HS and went our ways. I haven't played since but am itching for a scrap. I
- [Question about Bloody Stump/Cutting to Glide](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/question-about-bloody-stumpcutting-to-glide/) - What is Cutting to Glide? What is Waving the Bloody Stump? What is the difference between the two? As in why would you choose one over the other? Thanks!
- [Website back up](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/website-back-up/) - Testing 1.2.3.. - I had to restore some posts that were lost due to the website being moved to a new server by the hosting company (they took their sweet time doing it - 3 days!! grrr! ) Anyhow - I think things are synced now.
- [The Second Hey Al thread](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/the-second-hey-al-thread/) - Hey AL... Rolled up a Allied Torpedo mission yesterday and realised that there is not a Roll-up chart for Allied Torpedo missions. UMMMMMM...HELP!
- [Huntsville, AL Players?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/huntsville-al-players/) - If there's anyone in the Huntsville, Alabama area who would like to get together for a game, please let me know.
- [rules version](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/rules-version/) - Can someone give a rules version breakdown, when they were release, what version of the games Wertzz
- [Is this worth picking up?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/is-this-worth-picking-up/) - Hello Folks, I was browsing online at ebay and noted in the books section, that they had some reprints of books printed in or around 1919 (supposedly). The URL is here: http://cgi.ebay.com/rprnt-1919-WW-I-Airplane-Construction-biplane-triplane_W0QQitemZ120465340866QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Nonfiction_Book?hash=item1c0c4b39c2&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 Sorry if this is a waste of time, just thought that for $10 (includes the S&H), this might not be a bad thing.
- [VDP - what day of week works best?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/vdp-what-day-of-week-works-best/) - For those of you who are interested in getting VDP up and running again this fall, what day/evening works best for you? Tuesday would be my preference. Personally, Wednesday do not work well at all. I have evening meetings at least twice a month. And renovation projects will be eating up my weekends for a
- [VDP Mailing List](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/vdp-mailing-list/) - Hi, I know I've been out of the VDP loop for a long while, but I'm just wondering if maybe it would be a good idea to start a VDP mailing list that goes out to anyone and everyone who might be interested in a game. I hate to say it but I don't check
- [GenConOz Australia](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/genconoz-australia/) - Is anyone attending and or is the Fits Society running any events there?
- [Squadron Report 8.18](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/squadron-report-8-18/) - We had a group of 6 play this week, with two very exciting missions! First was an Italian Front Brawl including an Italian balloon that was destroyed... The second had DH4s fighting their way home from a obs. mission. We welcomed back an original "Ghost" player from the 70's group back to the table -
- [What to run at GASPcon 10?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/what-to-run-at-gaspcon-10/) - I'm going to be running a Dawn Patrol event at our local convention, GASPcon, in November. Does anyone have a suggestion for good scenario to run? I'd like to make it something other than just a generic dog fight. At our monthly game days I've run dog fights, a balloon bust, and a downed pilot
- [New Edition?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/new-edition/) - Does anyone know when or IF a new edition will be coming out? (Sorry if this is the wrong category for this question, just wasn't sure where else to put it.)
- [Subscription change of address?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/subscription-change-of-address/) - I just moved and I need to know who I should notify about my change of address, preferably through email? If anyone can help it would be much appreciated. I have already received issue #155. Thanks!
- [FITS Custom Dice Now Available via the Web](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/fits-custom-dice-now-available-via-the-web/) - Sorry I was running late with this request, but the forms to order the new Roundel dice are now available. Set the Home page for more info.
- [6th annual Gen Con Open](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/6th-annual-gen-con-open/) - Kevan Sumner won the Gen Con Open and takes the Mug home, more details later George
- [Brief Website Outage Next Week](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/brief-website-outage-next-week/) - My hosting company will be moving my account to an upgraded server with better speed and a better backup solution/program sometime next week. I will post more info here as I get more details on the move. The website will likely experience several hours of down time due to this move. I have verified a
- [Plane stats](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/plane-stats/) - He guys, Rolled an SVA 10 last night. Found out that there are no stats for this. And I did check the site here this morning. Anyone able to help me out? Thanks~~Jim
- [Squadron Report 8.5.09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/squadron-report-8-5-09/) - Squadron Report 8.5.09 Players, AP, Carl, Kurt and John H. Mission #1- August 1918 Over the North Sea. Carl (Fokker DVII 185, 16/4 pilot) and Kurt (H-B W.29 0/0 crew) were patrolling the high waters just off the coast of the front when they ran into AP ( Camel 130, 11/2 pilot) and John H.
- [Squadron Report 7/29/09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/squadron-report-72909/) - Game #1- August 1918 over the front. John B. & AP were returning from a ground attack in their trusty Bristol F.2b 200’s when intercepted by Kurt & Carl in Fokker DVII 200s. The Germans decided to try to take the Brits out one at a time, and doubled up on AP’s Brisfit, plugging him
- [Looking for the perfect hit/log sheet](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/looking-for-the-perfect-hitlog-sheet/) - Would you guys mind posting your hit sheets? I'd love to see what everyone is using.
- [Cant get to the subscribers download area](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/cant-get-to-the-subscribers-download-area/) - Why can't I get into the Aerodrome subscribers Download area? Of course I'm a current and long time subscriber. Eric Weiss
- [The Last British survivor of the World War I Gone](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/the-last-british-survivor-of-the-world-war-i-gone/) - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8169122.stm
- [E-game #11](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/e-game-11/) - We haven’t played an e-game in ages! Let’s get one started again. We will need a moderator and four players, so 5 total to play. I would really like to play in one, but if there are no others that want to moderate I will. If we get a lot of responses I would be
- [Ace List](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/ace-list-2/) - Didn't know where to put this sooooo... The upcoming aerodrome will have The Ace and Experienced submition sheet in it. Not sure what Mr Carr's timeline is for distribution but compilation of said list is about to commence. Dan could you post a submition sheet on here? We will be accepting both hand written and
- [Last original RAF member has passed away...](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/last-original-raf-member-has-passed-away/) - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8157447.stm
- [Fall Mini-Con in MN](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/fall-mini-con-in-mn/) - Hi All, Mike Carr has contacted me about the possibility of another fall Mini Con here in the Twin Cities, and has listed possible dates below that he may be in town. Any thoughts of what may/may not work better this early in the game?? The more responses we get the better, so if anyone
- [Gen Con -Anyone want to split a hotel room?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/gen-con-anyone-want-to-split-a-hotel-room/) - Anyone planning to attend Gen Con and interested in splitting a hotel room? The two guys that I was going with have just had to cancel due to unforeseen circumstances (one is starting new job, other is a victim of the economy) and my wife will be very unhappy with me if I don't find
- [CAMPAIGN REPORT (Missions #4,5,6)](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/campaign-report-missions-456/) - MISSION #4- March 1917. Fighter vs Fighter, Over the Front, 7700ft. JB in his Alb DV and AP in his Pflaz DIII were SURPRISED by Kurt in his special twin gun Sopwith Triplane (-10 top & turn, -50 climb) and JH in his S.E.5. The Allies were able to hammer on the Bosch for a
- [Gen Con warmup gaming](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/gen-con-warmup-gaming/) - The Gen Con warmup this year will be held in the Hyatt Regency downtown in the open gaming area, there will be more details forthcoming.
- [Squadron Report 6/16](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/squadron-report-616/) - We flew 3 great missions last night, with Carl, John B, Kurt & AP in attendance. Mission #1- Jan.1918. Carl & AP in Alb DVas vs. John & Kurt in Camels. The Germans pulled the surprise, and gave both the Allies crits. Winning initiative on the 2nd turn, the Albs continued to pound their foe,
- [Squadron Report 6/9/09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/squadron-report-6909/) - We had 4 of us at the table for the night, and got 4 good games in! #1- Feb 1917- AP & Carl in Alb DIIIs vs. John & Kurt in British Sop. 1 1/2 Strutters. Carl thought he could take not one, but TWO 400ft shots that gave Kurt's Obsever head ons... with a
- [Mini-con July 4th and 5th](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/mini-con-july-4th-and-5th/) - For those of you interested The Apache Jagdstaffel will be hosting a mini-con at Gamers Inn. We will be showcasing our new custom table and there will be a prize tourney. Details will follow.
- [Want a copy of VDP map for real-life gaming?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/want-a-copy-of-vdp-map-for-real-life-gaming/) - In preparation for an upcoming convention, I made a version of the 44" x 44" VDP big map (expanded and modified original DP map) that I could print out in 8"x10" sections. If any of you are interested in printing it out, I've put up all the individual sections for download via MediaFire. It requires
- [Critical Wound question (and new rules for CW)](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/critical-wound-question-and-new-rules-for-cw/) - My group is experimenting with new CW rules. I am wondeirng how long someone should stay out after a critical wound? I know there is a roll for permanent retirement if they surivive but see nothing anywhere on what happens if the critical wound recepient lives (specifially how long ebfore they come bakc into combat).
- [Looking for train counters/art/ screenshots](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/looking-for-train-countersart-screenshots/) - Hello all, new member here. Andy sent me over this way from the aerodrome.com I've put together a campaign/league system for Wings of War and one of my scenarios is attacking a train (not exactly historical, but should be lots of fun in the game). I've searched the net looking for any aerial photos of
- [Saturday Night Game?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/saturday-night-game/) - Anyone interested in attempting to revive some online play?
- [Got my new Aerodrome last night](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/got-my-new-aerodrome-last-night/) - It was great to see an issue come out, and it was great quality as usual. George
- [Reference pages for new players](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/reference-pages-for-new-players/) - I'm running a Dawn Patrol session at a local gaming convention on the last weekend of May. I know I had some good reference pages at one point that had all the maneuvers and some key charts, but I seem to have misfiled them. Does anyone have something handy that you could send me?
- [Se5a Vickers and Lewis Gun firing question](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/se5a-vickers-and-lewis-gun-firing-question/) - Does the SE5a pilot get to fire both the vickers and lewis in the same turn? Is it one or the other or is it both with seperate rolls on same turn?
- [CAMPAIGN REPORT (Mission #3)](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/campaign-report-mission-3/) - DECEMBER 1916 Andrew and John B. are on patrol in their trusty Fokker Eindeckers when they encounter 2 Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutters (John H & Kurt) on a Photo Recon mission over the front. The Brits immediately strayed from the mission and attacked. A slowly twisting battle ensued, with damage being dished out surprisingly well
- [Squadron Report 4/29](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/squadron-report-429/) - We had 5 of us at the table for the 32nd Annual "Richtofen Remembrance" game. John B & H, Carl, Harry and Andrew got 3 good games in. Game #1- Oct 1918 John B got stuck in a Pfalz DIIIa flying w/ Andrew in a SSW DIV against John H, Harry & Carl in SPAD
- [CAMPAIGN REPORT (Missions #1 & #2)](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/campaign-report-missions-1-2/) - So we started our campaign by rolling for sides, John H & Kurt are the Allies, John B & Andy are the Germans. MISSION #1 (fighter vs fighter)- Oct 1916, 90 Wide Front, center at 5500. No Clouds, wind 10 W. Germans decided to take up the Halberstadt DII [JB] & a Fokker EIII (AP)
- [Campaign Game](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/campaign-game/) - So the MN group has decided to run a campaign. We are going to try a scenario where we fly 14 missions from 1916-Nov 1918, one mission for every 2 months. MISSIONS- 3 in 1916 (fighter vs fighter, & offsetting 2 seater missions) 5 in 1917 (2 F vs F, 1 recon vs recon, &
- [Tips on hosting a "slow the advance" game..](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/tips-on-hosting-a-slow-the-advance-game/) - I am going to host a game this weekend with the group I have started of friends from my church. They are all fairly new to the game, but have dogfighting down. We have been playing miniature games thus far. I have purchased some 1:144 WW1 tanks from a supplier in Canada and hope they
- [Creating a poll / survey?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/creating-a-poll-survey/) - Am I missing something or is it possible to setup a poll / survey in the forum?
- [Zeppelin rules?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/zeppelin-rules/) - I made an attempt to purchase all the back issues of aerodrome magazine but Mr. Carr has never answered the emails. I am wondering if there were any zepellin rules created and where I might get them if there were.
- [New Chat Component Coming Soon](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/new-chat-component-coming-soon/) - The chat component we are currently using on the site works, but it is a pain to try and get someone's attention to join you there when you see that there is someone else visiting the site. I am hoping to get a new and improved chat component up and running this weekend. Stay tuned...
- [8th edition critical hit question](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/8th-edition-critical-hit-question/) - I noticed that on the 8th edition critical hit table , on the tail section if you roll a 4, it seems incomplete or I am reading it wrong (probably the latter). it says: 4(1/3) Elevator hit etc. etc. etc. 4(2/2) Elevator jammed etc. etc. etc. if you roll a 5: 5(1/4) Tail skid etc.
- [More Aerodromes, DP content coming soon!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/more-aerodromes-dp-content-coming-soon/) - I will be out of town this weekend, but when I get back I intend to boost the 'downloads' area of the website with much much more new content. I will add more aerodromes, as well as the inserts that come with them, and I have also had a few requests for the files necessary
- [Deflection shooting](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/deflection-shooting/) - Is there a house rule that also has the deflection shooting column shift applied to top and bottom attacks? besides making sense , it seems that in a large group the top and bottom attack are almost exclusively chosen instead of a tailing attack because of the possibility of a more concentrated hit(and the chance
- [Can I purchase older issues of Aerodrome?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/can-i-purchase-older-issues-of-aerodrome/) - Does anyone want to sell their collection?
- [Clean Copy of  Crit Chart available](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/clean-copy-of-crit-chart-available/) - Thanks to Mr. Joseki, we have a new downloads submission with a clean copy of the crit chart. It is available here... http://dawnpatrol.org/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=37&func=select&id=3&orderby=2&page=2
- [Announcing the World Map of Dawn Patrol Players](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/announcing-the-world-map-of-dawn-patrol-players/) - Check for a new feature under your Community tab entitled "World Map of DP Players." This page uses the Google Map API to allow us to get a general idea of where Dawn Patrol players are in the world. Please consider adding your location (even a just a nearby city is fine too). Enjoy!
- [Rules question 12th mission pilot bonus](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/rules-question-12th-mission-pilot-bonus/) - I noticed in the rules it has the 3-12th missions as one bonus (double ones, twos and threes hit pilot + all normal abilities) But the veyr next level also has 12 missions (and 5 kills and it says either one qualifies) for :up one table , extra tailing card etc. So on the 12th
- [Squadron Report 3/14/09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/squadron-report-31409/) - We had 5 of us at the table- Carl (host) John B., Mark, Harry & Andy. We played three tough battles all involving 2-seaters and one involving a balloon that all played out in very interesting ways!! The highlight had to be Harry being literally 1 point of damage away from being shot down in
- [Rules question on kill confirmation](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/rules-question-on-kill-confirmation/) - Ok I would like to know what happens in this exmaple. The dogfight starts...player A fires and obtains hits on Player B's plane casuing 2 engine hits. No critical occurs. 4 or 5 turns later Player C scores one engine hit on Player Bs plane, this results in an engine explodes critical (roll of 2
- [Rues question, Critical hits](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/rues-question-critical-hits/) - Hi everyone, it's been a while since we played and we wanted to clear something up. When you recieve (as an example) a critical hit ot the right wing (#7 under critical hits wing)it states Aileron hit-cut turn speed by 10 MPH no opposite turns or banks permitted(if right wing, no left turns or banks
- [Dawn Patrol miniatures campaign pics and details!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/dawn-patrol-miniatures-campaign-pics-and-details/) - I am starting a Dawn Patrol (TSR game) campaign game with my game group and the pictures below show the culmination of about 12 months of preparation: 1. Purchasing 1/144 WW1 air planes (and WW2 but those are not ready yet) painting them and having them painted. 2. Creating hand painted 8 X 4 air
- [E-Game #8](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/e-game-8/) - What is the status of this game? Can we assume that it's done?
- [Tuesday 2/24 8PM CST](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/tuesday-224-8pm-cst/) - If we get four to confirm here I will show up!
- [Gary Con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/gary-con-09/) - Gary Con 09 is this weekend! Click here to view the calendar entry for this special event in Lake Geneva, WI.
- [Four Person Tailing Chain](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/four-person-tailing-chain/) - In a four person tailing chain. Player B tails A. B is tailed by C and C is tailed by D. A reverses B. B reverses C. C does not reverse D. How is this chain resolved?
- [Call for Gen Con Judges](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/call-for-gen-con-judges/) - This is my Annual call for Gen Con Judges, if you want to attend and help me out, please let me know. Thanks George
- [E-game #10 COMPLETE,  E-game #11?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/e-game-10-complete-e-game-11/) - Game #10 is complete, full report to come sometime soon. Anyone want to host game #11? I recommend doing a few smaller games now instead of such large ones. 4 players would be good me thinks...
- [My account was hijacked](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/my-account-was-hijacked/) - Hey guys my Hotmail account was hijacked. I am not in england nor do I require money. Please ignore those messages
- [Squadron Report 2/12](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/squadron-report-212/) - We tried another new game last night (citadel, fun card game) so only got one mission in, but it was a good one!! John B. & AP flew Belgian Nieuport 17s vs. Kurt & John H. in Alb D3s attacking a balloon. It started with a dance and trading 300ft shots, with both John &
- [Tuesday Night Game!  2/17](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/tuesday-night-game-217/) - We are going to attempt to revive the VDP game, and to get things started we'll try to get a foursome together 2/17 7PM CST, and new comers are more than welcome to join! Drop a line here if you can make it.
- [Squadron Report 2/4/09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/squadron-report-2409/) - After trying a new game, we only got one mission in tonight... John B. & myself flew Alb DVa's w/ supped up engines vs. John H. & Kurt in SPAD XIII's. After some cat & mouse, they hammered me for 4 crits & knocked my engine out... thankfully I had a parachute & made it
- [Saturdays Game.](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/saturdays-game/) - Well we have blossomed over the last year. We are currently playing Friday Saturday and Sunday. Our big game is Sat and last sat we hit the biggest group I can remember in quite some time. 11 people gathered around the table last Sat and we split into two games. We have three new players
- [Squadron Report 1/28/09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/squadron-report-12809/) - We got 5 games in last night!! #1- AP flew an SE5a w/ John B in RE8 vs Kurt in Pfalz DXII & Carl in AEG J1. First turn surprised the Bosch, pilot hit Carl through his armor for my 9th confirmed victory! #2- Kurt & AP in Camel 150s vs John B in Alb
- [A message for Squadron Leaders](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/a-message-for-squadron-leaders/) - To all squadron leaders, I will create a public area for you in this forum upon request and assign forum moderators from your squadron (also upon request). For now, the default moderators are myself and Andy P. Please use this area to let others know how your game nights go, ideas on how to run
- [Suggestion for Forum](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/suggestion-for-forum/) - Dan, Is it possible to link the squadron forum to the main forum? It would be cool to see 'Squadron Reports'under DP/FitS, so anytime someone updates their squadron page with results from games, it is linked or also gets posted in the general forum so everyone can read it... Or would it be easier to
- [Squadron Reports](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/squadron-reports/) - Starting a thread to post results from our regular games.
- [Newbie eyeing the waters...](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/newbie-eyeing-the-waters/) - Hello Folks, For what it is worth, I'm considering the possiblity of reacqainting myself with Dawn Patrol to the extent of possibly moderating a game via email. That being the case, what might be a good idea is to have someone who has moderated email Dawn Patrol games do a write up on their experiences
- [Salesmanship](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/salesmanship/) - Hi Guys, My name is Hal and I've recently rejoined this fine forum region. My older sign in as hal@buffnet.net died, so I had to resubscribe with a new email addy. None the less, I thought I'd share a few thoughts with you all here and perhaps prod a few of you into action I
- [Tuesday Night Game 2/20 7PM CST](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/tuesday-night-game-220-7pm-cst/) - OK I plan on being online on VASSAL tonight...hopefully we get 4!!
- [Clouds](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/clouds/) - I've never really used clouds before, but I had rolled some up for this past month's scenario. Once it came time to use them, I realized that they are kind of a pain in the butt unless you're just using them to escape. How do you guys run clouds? Seems to me that you would
- [Carrying Passengers](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/carrying-passengers/) - At our last game day, I ran a game with an objective to save a downed pilot who was shot down in our balloon busting mission at December's game day. Unfortunately, landing a plane, especially behind enemy lines, was a lot more difficult than I anticipated... The British had two Camels and a DH 9
- [Happy New Year!!  VDP in 09'?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/happy-new-year-vdp-in-09/) - Hi All! Happy 2009!! Any interest in attempting to get a VDP foursome up and going again? I was thinking it may be a good idea to start with a monthly game instead of weekly, schedule it far enough in advance so we can get all players there?? Any interest or thoughts?
- [Multiple rules questions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/multiple-rules-questions/) - While running our balloon busting game last Saturday, I ran into a few questions that I couldn't find answers to in the rulebook. I made judgement calls for all of them, but was curious how you guys handled them: [ol] [li]Are balloons always encountered over the front, or can they be behind enemy lines? Seems
- [Electronic Game Supplements](https://fitssociety.com/forums/topic/electronic-game-supplements/) - Does anyone know if Graham Cox is still involved with Dawn Patrol? I ask because I had a paper copy of a spreadsheet he apparently created back in 1990. I liked the sheet because it had all the important tables right on the sheet along with the game record. Anyway, I have never been able
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- [Re: After Action Report - July 27, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/after-action-report-july-27-2014/) - Scott, was this game really on Sunday the 27th, or Monday the 28th? I thought it was Sunday that you were short of players ...
- [Re: After Action Report - July 27, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/after-action-report-july-27-2014-2/) - Ummmm...... yeah..... Monday the 28th! Wow, I think I am losing it, seriously. I wasn't available Sunday either.
- [Re: Re:Tips on hosting a "slow the advance" game..](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/retips-on-hosting-a-slow-the-advance-game/) - Dan I will offer my 2 cents #1- Typically there are not AA at the front unless a balloon is involved. There could easily be MG positions though, so if you are doing the front is the width of the board, you would probably want MG positions for both sides at either end. #2- Vehicles
- [Re: Re:Reference pages for new players](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rereference-pages-for-new-players/) - Hey, I posted these charts in the 'non- member' downloads section. Enjoy!
- [Re: Re:Viewing New Posts](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reviewing-new-posts/) - Yes, it is a little dark gray/almost black icon with a white arrow pointing to the lower right corner. Let me know if you can't locate it.
- [Re: Can't find the Pay Pal link for paid membership](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/cant-find-the-pay-pal-link-for-paid-membership/) - Keif, Unfortunately I do not think Pay Pal is an option anymore... would you be OK if we gave you the address of the treasurer and you could mail a check, the old fashioned way? We could send you a membership request form if you prefer. Thank you and let me know if you have
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- [Re: Ace and Experienced Pilots](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ace-and-experienced-pilots-2/) - Oh oh. An international incident. Calling a Frenchman an Italian is sure to cause problems. Heads need to roll!
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- [Re: Ace and Experienced Pilots](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ace-and-experienced-pilots-4/) - Well, I suppose it would really be Rick's head that Bernard would be looking for. But those are pretty high stakes for a volunteer position!?! It could have been worse, Rick could have mistaken Bernard for an American ; )
- [Re: Ace and Experienced Pilots](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ace-and-experienced-pilots/) - There's an error in the posting for one of my pilots. The roster shows me with two ace/experienced Italian SPAD pilots. In fact I only have one. The other, Bernard de Bazelaire, is actually in the French air force.
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- [Re: Re:Fall Mini-Con in MN](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/refall-mini-con-in-mn-29/) - Quote: Play will start 2PM Friday and continue all evening, we will start up again 10AM Saturday and play all day/night and cap things off Sunday morning 9AM. Players are welcome to join us for any/all of the scheduled times, but even if you can only play for a few hours one day we highly
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- [Re: Re:Fall Mini-Con in MN](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/refall-mini-con-in-mn-8/) - Do we have any more details, like where it's gonna be, I will be traveling there this year
- [Re: Re:Fall Mini-Con in MN](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/refall-mini-con-in-mn-9/) - Location is not 100% set, but very well may be the same as last year, the Monster Den game store in Minneapolis. If you are looking at locking down a hotel, I would recommend no matter where we play to book in Bloomington near the Mall of America, as that is where the best room
- [Re: Re:Fall Mini-Con in MN](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/refall-mini-con-in-mn-10/) - How about a list of some of the hotel/motels near there?
- [Re: Re:Fall Mini-Con in MN](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/refall-mini-con-in-mn-11/) - What we might want to consider is getting a "convention rate" at one of the nearby hotels. Of course, people will still choose other hotels for amenities or loyalty rewards, but it might save those of us who are frugal an extra $5/night.
- [Re: Re:Fall Mini-Con in MN](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/refall-mini-con-in-mn-12/) - I tried last year at a few places and the group rates that they offered were not that great. I would highly recommend using either hotwire or orbitz, and just look for hotels near the airport. Airport, Mall of America are 5-10 minutes away from where we played last year, and you can usually get
- [Re: Re:Fall Mini-Con in MN](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/refall-mini-con-in-mn-13/) - How far away is Eagan MN, they have a special where they will give you a $40.00 gas card with a 2 night hotel stay?
- [Re: Re:Fall Mini-Con in MN](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/refall-mini-con-in-mn-14/) - The Blue Max wrote: Quote: How far away is Eagan MN, they have a special where they will give you a $40.00 gas card with a 2 night hotel stay? Eagan will probably be about 15 minutes away, depending on the exact location.
- [Re: Re:Fall Mini-Con in MN](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/refall-mini-con-in-mn-15/) - We are locked in & set for the mini-con, it will be Nov 6-8 at the same location as last year, the Monster Den game store in S. Minneapolis. Please see the 'EVENT REGISTRATION' section under the 'COMMUNITY' tab for more information and to sign up! Cost for the event will depend on the number
- [Re: Re:Fall Mini-Con in MN](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/refall-mini-con-in-mn/) - I may be interested in coming down. All of those dates currently work for me.
- [Re: Re:Masters Game 2010](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/remasters-game-2010/) - Congrats Carl!!
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09-31/) - I hope to still make it this weekend, but my father-in-law is in the hospital and all signs point to pancreatic cancer. We are not sure if the mass is malignant or not yet. Either way, he has a surgery coming up this week. I may still get to the mini-con and just reduce my
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09-32/) - Dan, It would be great to see you there and meet your family but under the circumstances it is more than understandable if you don't make it. Our thoughts will be with you and your family. Best of luck. John
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09-33/) - Good news, the cancer is operable! Also, we now know that he will not have the surgery for at least 2 weeks. My wife spent most of the week with him, and we are still going to attend this weekend to have a little getaway. I hope I will get a bunch of playing time
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09-34/) - Awesome news Dan! Look forward to seeing you there! Unfortunately it sounds like Kevan is going to be stuck in Canada, the blizzards up there are making travel trecherous...
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09-35/) - Great news Dan. See you there. Too bad about Kevan. Cubsfan when are you guys leaving? We leave in 3 hrs that is if I can get everyone packed:blink:
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09-36/) - we hit the road 9AM tomorrow... need to find a 4th now for 'travel FitS'!!
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09-5/) - Just posted my Pics to the Main Gallery! Enjoy, I'm sure others will have more and better. It was a blast! Thanks to George for organizing everything! John
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09-19/) - cubsfan4life wrote: Quote: So the next question is... Which Nationality do you want to face? A) Our novice British pilots that will whine about it being tea time as you scoff at them and pummel them mightily or B ) Our snooty French pilots that will taunt you with phrases like: "You don't frighten us,
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09-20/) - Fine Ales it is bring on the Belgians and we'll find some beer before we play. Or sody if you don't drink!!
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09-3/) - Looks like we will be out Thursday night! Is there a nice flyer like in past years that I could post over on Board game geek? Or should I just post the general info? John
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09-21/) - Yes I have a flyer, email a request to fitssociety@yahoo.com and i will send to you
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09-22/) - Email sent Thanks
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09-23/) - I sense an early start. Three of us AZ guys will be in Thursday afternoon and ready to fly Thursday. Anyone care tofile a flight plan?
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09-24/) - Hellooooooooooo Anyone care to play Thursday night?
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09-25/) - I would love to say yes but I don't know what time we will get there. Or what sort of shape everyone will be in after the drive. When I get out there I can try to get a hold of you and let you know.
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09-28/) - KOOL!!
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09-26/) - Joseki wrote: Quote: Hellooooooooooo Anyone care to play Thursday night? Possibly, but not yet certain.
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09-27/) - Hail Gamers!! I will be free:) Thurday evening (approx post6PM) to game!!! Can I join? I live close by 10 minutes from the hotel. Sorry I can't offer my house to game in (wife and kids-no go) but I assume you are all staying at the hotel? Call me at 414-525-9717 to square out the
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09-29/) - Outstanding!!! By all means Blake the more the merrier.
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09-30/) - Oh yeah we are bringing our new recruit so we will be 4 strong this year.
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09-4/) - I will be getting in after 9pm and will check to see if there is a game still going.
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09-16/) - dan wrote: Quote: Hey John H - are you bringing the entire family again? I am still not sure if my whole family will make it or not, but I will be there for sure. Hey Dan, currently the plan is for the whole family head out to the con but things are a bit
- [Re: Re:GenCon](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regencon-4/) - I uploaded GenCon 2008 images that were provided by John H. You can find them in the Main Gallery.
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09/) - Anything official yet?
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09-2/) - How about it George?
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09-6/) - I've heard that the last weekend of March is going to be the date...
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09-7/) - Nothing is official yet, but George was querying various people about April 3-4-5 so it appears that that is the most likely weekend. Hopefully we will have it set soon.
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09-8/) - Hey I did talk to George and the last weekend of March it is. He has not decided on a hotel yet.
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09-9/) - All systems are go for Spring Minicon 2009, the location is the same as the last 3 years, Holiday Inn Express in Milwaukee WI.The weekend is March 27th-29th 2009. Here is a link to the hotel http://www.wiscohotels.com/wiscohiexmilwaukee/index.php Room rates are 79 per night There are 2 suites at 79 as well and 2 family suites
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09-10/) - I submitted the event to the registration tool here on the website so our users can indicate if they are coming. If you are planning on attending, then please click the following link and use the Event Registration form to "register". You can also find this page under the Community Tab by selecting "Event Registration".
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09-11/) - Hey Dan, can we make this a front page article on the site w/ the link to registration?
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09-12/) - Done - thanks!
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09-13/) - At least 3 of us Arizona Gunslingers are coming. Andrew, Any ideas for the grudge match?
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09-14/) - Hey John H - are you bringing the entire family again? I am still not sure if my whole family will make it or not, but I will be there for sure.
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09-15/) - Joseki wrote: Quote: At least 3 of us Arizona Gunslingers are coming. Andrew, Any ideas for the grudge match? Hmmm...how about a good ol' fashioned 1917 dogfight? We could do the MN crew in Nieup. 17s w/ lewises vs. AZ Alb DIIIs...
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09-17/) - Nice matchup performance vs guns. Ok you got it Lewis armored Nieuport 17's vs the Trusty old Albatruck DIII Wooohooo!!!
- [Re: Re:Spring Mini-con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-mini-con-09-18/) - So the next question is... Which Nationality do you want to face? A) Our novice British pilots that will whine about it being tea time as you scoff at them and pummel them mightily or B ) Our snooty French pilots that will taunt you with phrases like: "You don't frighten us, (German) pig-dogs! Go
- [Re: Re:GenCon](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regencon-9/) - So I am really jealous of all you GenCon go-ers. Please post some After Action Reports and any photos when you get back! I am heading to Castle Rock Lake in WI for some camping with my church buddies. Hopefully I will have a catfish story or two.
- [Re: Re:GenCon](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regencon-10/) - dan wrote: Quote: So I am really jealous of all you GenCon go-ers. Please post some After Action Reports and any photos when you get back! I am heading to Castle Rock Lake in WI for some camping with my church buddies. Hopefully I will have a catfish story or two. Good luck with the
- [Re: Re:GenCon](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regencon-11/) - So I did have a nice catch after all - it was a strange fish that I have not seen before. It turns out it is called a Greater Redhorse and is part of the Suckerfish family (I didn't see any teeth and the pics I found on the web match it exactly). Anyway here
- [Re: Re:GenCon](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regencon-12/) - Alien wrote: Quote: Not only did I receive only one light wound, I only had two other brushes with death and survived both. A D VII took seven engine hits but it just quit and I was able to glide to a landing in German lines. A Fokker D VIII took two critical hits, escaped,
- [Re: Re:GenCon](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regencon-13/) - You're welcome to the "crash at home after two crits" part of my luck.
- [Re: Re:GenCon](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regencon-14/) - Hey all, I have around 15 pics from GenCon should I post them here or is there a Gallery that I should post them to? I had a good con but missed my Thur. morning game due to a screw-up by our hotel. Fri. morning I flew a successful bombing mission that held off an
- [Re: Re:GenCon](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regencon-15/) - Sure - you can upload them to the forum here - or the gallery on your "My DP Page" - or you can email them to me and I can put them in the main gallery (this is probably the easiest for you just because the forum is 1 pic at a time).
- [Re: Re:GenCon](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regencon/) - I'll be there. I understand I'm running three games, but George hasn't told me which three yet!?
- [Re: Re:GenCon](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regencon-5/) - I will e-mail the schedule to Andrew and if he can post here that would be great, I have not finalized all of the Judging slots yet based on real life commitments. I am staying downtown but am totally booked on Wednesday night. George
- [Re: Re:GenCon](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regencon-6/) - I got the e-mail (both). Looks good so far.
- [Re: Re:GenCon](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regencon-2/) - If you want to make sure and include Dan on the email as well (should have an email link on the site here) just in case I cant post it for some reason, but yes we should have all Gen Con info on the site!! I wish I could make it down, but have a
- [Re: Re:GenCon](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regencon-7/) - cubsfan4life wrote: Quote: I wish I could make it down, but have a wedding that Saturday. Any fall events planned? We may try & do a fall mini-con in MN based around when MC will be in town... I keep telling him wedding schmedding, we have extra room this year, but he has to go
- [Re: Re:GenCon](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regencon-8/) - bolog wrote: Quote: cubsfan4life wrote: Quote: I wish I could make it down, but have a wedding that Saturday. Any fall events planned? We may try & do a fall mini-con in MN based around when MC will be in town... I keep telling him wedding schmedding, we have extra room this year, but he
- [Re: Re:GenCon](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regencon-3/) - bolog wrote: Quote: Hello all, Just wanted to see who all was planning on attending and which cames they were going to play. I'll be there Wednesday night through Sunday morning. I am signed up for three different Dawn Patrol games. "The Lost Battalion" Thur. 8-12 "Bombing Run" Fri. 8-12 and "Worlds Largest" 8-12 I
- [Re: MN Fall Mini Con 2013](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/mn-fall-mini-con-2013/) - I am planning on being there
- [Re: MN Fall Mini Con 2013](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/mn-fall-mini-con-2013-2/) - I will be there as well... ALSO the START TIME ON FRIDAY is 2 PM... not 9 am! Please plan accordingly... Carl Priest
- [Re: MN Fall Mini Con 2013](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/mn-fall-mini-con-2013-4/) - Who else is excited?? I know I am!!
- [Re: MN Fall Mini Con 2013](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/mn-fall-mini-con-2013-5/) - Awesome to see that you can make it. I know that I am psyched for this
- [Re: MN Fall Mini Con 2013](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/mn-fall-mini-con-2013-6/) - I am so pumped for this I got fatter! Seriously, I have to start losing weight.
- [Re: MN Fall Mini Con 2013](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/mn-fall-mini-con-2013-3/) - What a great weekend! It was great to see everyone and I had an awesome time. Too bad it is over so quickly. Thank you to everyone that showed up. Thank you to Carl Priest and John Harris for arranging the venue. Thank you to the Source for hosting us and for their hospitality. Everything
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol miniatures campaign pics and details!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-miniatures-campaign-pics-and-details-19/) - MK2, I should get a notice when an Avatar pic is uploaded, because I do have it set to require approval. I did not get a notice in this case, so please check the image file size and let me know what it is here. If you can tell me the image width and height
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol miniatures campaign pics and details!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-miniatures-campaign-pics-and-details-20/) - Thanks Dan, will do... Here are pics form last night's game. The 94th Aero was escorting a Bristol Fighter over an enemy aerodrome. The Bristol was tasked with a recon mission. The Germans attacked fiercly and scored a mind bending 3 engine hits on one pass by an older Albatross! The Bristol started smoking yet
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol miniatures campaign pics and details!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-miniatures-campaign-pics-and-details-4/) - I love it! I too have been hosting miniature games with some novice church friends here (check the website gallery for my approach to miniature play that was originally influenced by Andy P. ) We were talking about having a balloon mission and I was trying to come up with a way to this too.
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol miniatures campaign pics and details!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-miniatures-campaign-pics-and-details-21/) - Thanks! I have seen your stuff and I love it! I got all the stuff at a craft store called Michael's (you might have one near you). The cross and cockade I simply printed from the internet, cut it out, and glued it on. The wires I bent a little to simulate the Balloon sort
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol miniatures campaign pics and details!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-miniatures-campaign-pics-and-details-22/) - This was our 3rd mission on August 3, 1918. We had a "what you see is what you get board" that included a trench line, with opposing balloon brigades facing each other. On top of that there was also random automated recon planes flying up and down the trench. It was equal parts dangerous and
- [Re: Re:The Last British survivor of the World War I Gone](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rethe-last-british-survivor-of-the-world-war-i-gone/) - God speed, Mr. Patch! Thank you for all you've done!
- [Re: Re:Last original RAF member has passed away...](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/relast-original-raf-member-has-passed-away/) - Wow, I thought they were all gone! Thanks for the link!
- [Re: Re:Rise of Flight multiplayer PC game](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rerise-of-flight-multiplayer-pc-game/) - My immediate question is ... is it historically accurate? I mean, if you want to just fly around and shoot at people, you can download and play "Ace of Aces" (no relation to the wonderful flip-book game of the 1980s) for free at InstantAction and have multi-player WWI aerial combat available anytime you want, with
- [Re: Dayton WWI airshow in September](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/dayton-wwi-airshow-in-september/) - Hi All, After confirming with Mike Carr, I've booked at the Hope Hotel and Conference Center. That's the hotel listed on the Aerodrome insert, and it is the hotel endorsed for the League of WWI Aviation Historians. There is a special group rate of $89 per night for a room with two double beds or
- [Re: Dayton WWI airshow in September](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/dayton-wwi-airshow-in-september-2/) - Should have posted the hotel number for those who aren't FITS Society Members ... 937-879-2696. Mention the League of WWI Aviation Historians for the group rate. Graham
- [Re: Re:Albatros Flight Videos posted](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/realbatros-flight-videos-posted/) - I saw this video. John Harris shared it with me. Great video and such fun to watch. Thanks Mike and Dan for posting it on the site. Great Shot Scott
- [Re: PBS program](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/pbs-program/) - It was on here too Dan. I missed it due poor reception on my TV. Got to get that antenna put up! Hopefully I can catch it again.
- [Re: PBS program](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/pbs-program-2/) - Too bad... However, those of with an On Demand feature in yer TV system may be able to dial it up. These guys are building WW 1 a/c from original prints. But they get into to trouble when a print calls for a certain part but the sub prints (if that is such a thing!)
- [Re: PBS program](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/pbs-program-3/) - http://video.pbs.org/video/2365355624/ Try this ... D
- [Re: Re:The Second Hey Al thread](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rethe-second-hey-al-thread/) - You're right, there's no chart. I think the reason is that if you look through all the Allied planes the only one that carries torpedos is the short 184 so the chart would be: All months, Short 184, 1-100.
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol/) - I have not seen it. I am still in hopes of seeing quite a few movies about WWI I have not seen yet. One in particular is "The Blue Max".
- [Re: Re:any good new player handouts out there?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reany-good-new-player-handouts-out-there/) - I am not sure we have such a document posted on the site... I would ask around at GenCon, if you come up with something please feel free to post it here!
- [Re: Re:Gary Con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regary-con-09-5/) - It was great to be at GaryCon I and represent Dawn Patrol with Mike Carr! Thank you Rhuvein for your complement! I'm glad I brought my board with, there are some nice pictures of everyone who played. I enjoyed teaching the game and the general comraderie it brings. It was really cool to play a
- [Re: Re:Gary Con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regary-con-09/) - Man I am so envious of those who get to attend. I would love to make this one. Good luck to all who do.
- [Re: Re:Gary Con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regary-con-09-2/) - Jolly R Blackburn of Kenzer co / Knights of the Dinner Table posted his pics of Gary Con here: http://gallery.me.com/jollybgood#100638 Has Mike and DP in a couple.
- [Re: Re:Gary Con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regary-con-09-3/) - Greetings to all! First post. Mike sent me here. I had the good fortune to play FITS with Mike and Luke Gygax and another excellent gamer/fellow - Blake last Saturday at GaryCON I. Fantastic!! Thanks very much to Mike and Blake. Here's my thread with some pics: http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=35020
- [Re: Re:Gary Con 09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regary-con-09-4/) - Rhuvein, Thanks for posting the link. Those are some great pics. It looks like everyone had a good time. Hope you can make it to the Mini-Con. John
- [Re: Re:current e-game discussion thread](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recurrent-e-game-discussion-thread/) - Yes, count me in for this round! I have to make up for missing GenCon this year...
- [Re: Re:current e-game discussion thread](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recurrent-e-game-discussion-thread-2/) - Hi Andrew, I got the updated information booklet from John H. last night. Wow, there is a lot of information in there. I hope I am up to the challenge. This should be a lot of fun! I look forward to receiving the email.
- [Re: Re:current e-game discussion thread](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recurrent-e-game-discussion-thread-3/) - Hi, I am interested in playing the email version but do not know what I would need apart from email of course. Where can I find the rules or a place to buy the game please. Also, the printable VDP Mat link here is broken, is there another one?
- [Re: Re:current e-game discussion thread](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recurrent-e-game-discussion-thread-5/) - Hello VFC Baxter! I hope that pasting this link will lead you to instructions to load the Vassal program: [url]http://dawnpatrol.org/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=35&func=view&id=1208&catid=4 [/url] As far as the email games, we just finished one up today as a matter of fact. I ran it, and am in need of a break before I run another one. If anyone
- [Re: Re:current e-game discussion thread](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recurrent-e-game-discussion-thread-6/) - Hi Mark, Thank you for your response. I see you are in Chicago. I am in Adelaide, South Australia and the main reason I am interested in Email Play is that there are no user groups as far as I know in my city. Also, the time differences make online play difficult in the normal
- [Re: Re:current e-game discussion thread](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recurrent-e-game-discussion-thread-4/) - Hi All, Sorry to be a bit vague in my posts, but what I really was thinking/wondering was if it might be possible to set up an "old style" email game like playing email chess. The Dawn Patrol Physical Board would be set up on each players table and left up for the duration of
- [Re: Re:current e-game discussion thread](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recurrent-e-game-discussion-thread-7/) - Hey again VFC, In the email games, emails are sent out with an attached "vlog file". This file is read in Vassal and it shows the move of the player who sent it, square by square. The map and planes are on this file, so there isn't a need for a hard copy (though the
- [Re: Re:E-game #10 SIGN UP](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ree-game-10-sign-up-2/) - Count me in for E-Mail Game #10. Thanks!!
- [Re: Re:E-game #10 SIGN UP](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ree-game-10-sign-up-6/) - I'm in also but will be out of town till Aug 3rd. If it will help I am more than willing to move last in turn one:P John
- [Re: Re:E-game #10 SIGN UP](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ree-game-10-sign-up-3/) - I too would like to sign up. I haven't played in about two decades and will need help. I have emailed with Bolog about rules and he said just sign up and tell everybody I am new and you guys would help me along, so here I am. Thanks in advance Will
- [Re: Re:E-game #10 SIGN UP](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ree-game-10-sign-up-7/) - Welcome Will! Glad to have you on board, and yes you are more than welcome to join us! I would suggest a 'refresher course' on VASSAL, and we can walk you through how the e-games work. Let us know what times work well for you and one of us should be able to meet online
- [Re: Re:E-game #10 SIGN UP](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ree-game-10-sign-up-4/) - I am moving the email discussion to the forum - it sounds like lots want to play, no one really keen on moderating so I will run this game too... I am accepting players & ideas on what type of mission & which side you prefer...but ONLY on the website!! So please drop a line
- [Re: Re:E-game #10 SIGN UP](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ree-game-10-sign-up-8/) - count me in... thanks garyb
- [Re: Re:E-game #10 SIGN UP](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ree-game-10-sign-up-5/) - I am in - and formally request a bombing mission (maybe a train??):woohoo:
- [Re: Re:E-game #10 SIGN UP](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ree-game-10-sign-up-9/) - Count me in!
- [Re: Re:E-game #10 SIGN UP](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ree-game-10-sign-up-10/) - this could be a massive game! but the sounds of it. garyb
- [Re: Re:E-game #10 SIGN UP](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ree-game-10-sign-up-11/) - yeah i think we have 10! 5 on 5 will make for a fun mission... ...I am going to roll up sides & such this weekend, but for a sneak preview, we will be flying a historical bombing mission - battle of Le Hamel July 4th 1918...
- [Re: Re:E-game #10 SIGN UP](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ree-game-10-sign-up-12/) - Sounds like you may have already got things started, but if things don't get rolling until later this week, I wouldn't mind playing. However, I'm taking off on my honeymoon right away and won't return until next Sunday. If the game has already started, I'll sit this one out. My temporary hiatus from active play
- [Re: Re:E-game #10 SIGN UP](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ree-game-10-sign-up-13/) - OK Looks like we have 10! I sent out a preliminary email today with the sides, the mission & the AC involved - please let me know if you did NOT receive it. If you would please discuss with your teammates who will fly what, pick pilots, then report back to me. John H. &
- [Re: Re:E-game #10 SIGN UP](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ree-game-10-sign-up-14/) - Sweet! I better finish recording my pilot logs to my pilot list so I don't have to take up another rookie. The site of 5 enemy planes might make a rook lose his lunch :X
- [Re: Re:E-game #10 SIGN UP](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ree-game-10-sign-up/) - FYI- I will suggest to whomever does run the show, that in the interest of keeping the game moving, we implement the '48 hour' move rule we used in game #9.
- [Re: Re:E-game #11](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ree-game-11/) - I'm in! But will be out July 24th - Aug 1st if this happens to come together fast. And then out again for GenCon, Which you should totally be going to, I hear Kevan has a room:)
- [Re: Re:E-game #11](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ree-game-11-2/) - I'd like to play! I need to reload the software etc..
- [Re: Re:E-game #11](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ree-game-11-4/) - Count me in as well. I have enjoyed the previous two greatly! I can probably handle moderating one after this one if it only involves a small group, game #13 perhaps...
- [Re: Re:E-game #11](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ree-game-11-5/) - I'm in. We should consider getting the word out on other sites as well, as the membership requirement of this forum limits who can read it.
- [Re: Re:E-game #11](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ree-game-11-6/) - Just to be clear, this forum is viewable by both FITS members and Non-FITS members. There are just a few areas that are only for FITS members on this website. People do need to register for a free account to view this forum though, if that is what you meant.
- [Re: Re:E-game #11](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ree-game-11-7/) - Yep, that is what I meant - the forums aren't readily viewable by the casual visitor. Seeing as VDP games often attract new players or players who do not play regularly, I think it's to our benefit if notice is posted somewhere that it will catch their attention when casually surfing for info.
- [Re: Re:E-game #11](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ree-game-11-8/) - Gotcha Kevin, good point. I can post a front page article about upcoming e-games and whatever our new weekly or bi-monthly game night ends up being. Andy - I usually look to you for help in this particular area. Should we draw a line in the sand and post info about a game night now?
- [Re: Re:E-game #11](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ree-game-11-9/) - I think the more 'open' & easy we make it for players to join email games & VDP sessions the better...
- [Re: Re:E-game #11](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ree-game-11-3/) - I'd love to play in another one. I was assuming that others had started and I just got left out because I haven't had the chance to check the boards in a while. I think an online game would also encourage me to get some games going locally too.
- [Re: Re:E-game #11](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ree-game-11-10/) - OK we have a fairly good response here, I will go ahead and get an email game setup and send out details to everyone involved, hopefully this weekend. As far as an online game, yoodle if you want to start a new thread in the online gaming section, ask what days & times people can
- [Re: Re:E-game #11](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ree-game-11-11/) - cubsfan4life wrote: As far as an online game, yoodle if you want to start a new thread in the online gaming section, ask what days & times people can play, we can try to organize that as well![/quote] Sorry, didn't mean online, I meant e-mail. I can just never get it together to play an
- [Re: Re:E-game #11](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ree-game-11-12/) - Is it too late to get in on the e-game? Now that I have a computer that works decently again I wouldn't mind giving it a try.
- [Re: Re:E-game #11](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ree-game-11-13/) - E-game #11 has officially concluded! The Allies had a rough go at this one, with Rick taking a tail crit and had his engine reduced to 2 points left, forcing him to escape. John H had both an interrupter gear hit AND a wing fabric torn, with his engine reduced to 1 point left! Dan
- [Re: Re:E-game #11](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ree-game-11-14/) - It was great Andy - thanks again for running the game. :woohoo:
- [Re: Re:Gary Con Event info has been updated](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regary-con-event-info-has-been-updated/) - Calling out the DAWN PATROL world to come to GARY CON II. We'll be flying three sets missions (one by Mike Carr & two by Myself). Should be a good time- pick ups too if players are available. See ya there!! Blake
- [Re: Re:Gary Con Event info has been updated](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regary-con-event-info-has-been-updated-3/) - Hey Blake. Great to see you and Mike again and game as well . . Le Mans, Dungeon! and your Saturday night DP/F.I.T.S. event. Great CON. See ya next year!!
- [Re: Re:Gary Con Event info has been updated](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regary-con-event-info-has-been-updated-2/) - Is there a 2011 GaryCon III in the planning stages? If so, I want to mark my calendar.
- [Re: Re:Gary Con Event info has been updated](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regary-con-event-info-has-been-updated-4/) - Just announced on March 30th on the official site for Gary Con - Gary Con "The official dates for Gary Con III will be Friday, March 25, 2011, through Sunday, March 27, 2011"
- [Re: Chicago Gameday35 at Games Plus in Mount Prospect](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/chicago-gameday35-at-games-plus-in-mount-prospect/) - Too many people traveling, and too close to the Wingman Tourney. There will not be a Dawn Patrol event at this EnWorld Gameday 35. I WILL be running an AD&D adventure though. I will plan on running a Dawn Patrol event at Gameday36 though. Enjoy your summer!
- [Re: Chicago Gameday35 at Games Plus in Mount Prospect](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/chicago-gameday35-at-games-plus-in-mount-prospect-2/) - When is gameday 36?
- [Re: Chicago Gameday35 at Games Plus in Mount Prospect](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/chicago-gameday35-at-games-plus-in-mount-prospect-3/) - I asked them to notify as soon as they know a date. Unfortunately it might be the first weekend in October. I will be in Lafayette Indiana that weekend. But here's to hoping they pick another Saturday instead. {fingers crossed} I WILL post as soon as I find out for sure though.
- [Re: Re:General ground-scenario tips?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regeneral-ground-scenario-tips/) - If a scenario is at low altitude a balloon is set up on a roll of 1 or 2 on a d6. If successful, roll again. If a 1 is rolled , another balloon is added. Roll again. ect. I recently set up a game with 2 ballons (German, US) with 15 AA/MG around each
- [Re: Re:What to run at GASPcon 10?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewhat-to-run-at-gaspcon-10-4/) - Cool, thanks for the suggestions, Cub. I'll try that and let you know how it goes in November.
- [Re: Re:What to run at GASPcon 10?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewhat-to-run-at-gaspcon-10-5/) - Well, it's February, and ... how did it go?
- [Re: Re:What to run at GASPcon 10?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewhat-to-run-at-gaspcon-10/) - Yoodle, It depends on whether or not you want a balanced scenario. Balloon busting missions are always a lot of fun, and bombing runs can be exciting as well. Once you figure out what type you would like to do, and whether you want it balanced or unbalanced, I would be happy to help you
- [Re: Re:What to run at GASPcon 10?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewhat-to-run-at-gaspcon-10-2/) - I would like a balanced game, but without knowing exactly how many players will be participating, will that be difficult to accomplish? I think a bombing run would be fun. That's one scenario we haven't done yet. I always feel bad for the person that gets stuck flying the bomber though.
- [Re: Re:What to run at GASPcon 10?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewhat-to-run-at-gaspcon-10-3/) - For a bombing run, you could use a British DH4 or DH9 escorted by Camel 130s, the Germans could have a Halberstadt CIV escorted by Pfalz DXIIs, so you could have objectives for both sides, or just one. If its even # of players obviously sides would be even, otherwise I would give the side
- [Re: Re:Howdy!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rehowdy/) - Hello Michael, Welcome to the site! Unfortunately per copyright issues there is not a digital copy of the rulebook available. If you have any specific rule questions though, there are plenty of players here that are always happy to answer questions! We play online as well via the VASSAL game engine, so you would be
- [Re: Re:Howdy!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rehowdy-2/) - I intend to try the VASSAL site for playing because I don't want to break up my beautiful copy!! I will open it up and scan the pages so I can understand the rules. I have the "quick start" from your squadron site, as well as some reference sheets. I have some learning to do.
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol  Twin Cities MiniCon Nov 7-9 REGISTER](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-twin-cities-minicon-nov-7-9-register/) - I intend to be there on Sunday, I wont be there til 5 or so on Friday tho
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol  Twin Cities MiniCon Nov 7-9 REGISTER](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-twin-cities-minicon-nov-7-9-register-2/) - I plan to be there ready to fly Friday-Sunday.
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol  Twin Cities MiniCon Nov 7-9 REGISTER](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-twin-cities-minicon-nov-7-9-register-3/) - How did the mini-con go? I wish I could have been there. Any good AARs?
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol  Twin Cities MiniCon Nov 7-9 REGISTER](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-twin-cities-minicon-nov-7-9-register-4/) - Dan, We had a great weekend, had about 14 of us show up and played some great games!! I will try to put together a quick AAR soon, otherwise we will have a full report in the next Aerodrome!
- [Re: Important! Error on Spring Minicon Flyer](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/important-error-on-spring-minicon-flyer/) - I had the same issue, but figured it out just the same way you did! Also note that they gave me a special rate, but not the one on the flyer. They said our special rate was $88 not $81 per night. I didn't pitch a fit over the $7, but would be interested if
- [Re: Important! Error on Spring Minicon Flyer](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/important-error-on-spring-minicon-flyer-2/) - I did verify with Mark Knight and he fixed it, so that it shows $81.00 now
- [Re: Wingman Tourney results](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/wingman-tourney-results/) - Thanks for sharing that information George! I am sur you all had a great time! Congratulations to James and Bill and to all the players who made it a GREAT event!!! :woohoo:
- [Re: Re:Gen Con 2009](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regen-con-2009/) - I'll take two slots.
- [Re: Dawn Patrol at Gen Con](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/dawn-patrol-at-gen-con/) - Hey George. I don't see the attachment - is it just me? My son and I will be there this year, as you know. See you there! Many thanks, as always, for coordinating. Graham
- [Re: Dawn Patrol at Gen Con](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/dawn-patrol-at-gen-con-2/) - I asked the webmaster why the attachment didn't transfer over, but no answer yet. If you got your aerodrome, it was in there. I'll be in touch over logistics at GenCon Keep em flying George
- [Re: Dawn Patrol at Gen Con](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/dawn-patrol-at-gen-con-3/) - Any 'After Action Reports' from Gen Con?!? Would be great to hear about some players experiences!!
- [Re: Dawn Patrol at Gen Con](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/dawn-patrol-at-gen-con-4/) - In the first mission 4 turns in a row Harley gave pilot hits, and Harley also won the gen Con Open! We had 22 players for the Thursday 8AM game
- [Re: Dawn Patrol at Gen Con](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/dawn-patrol-at-gen-con-6/) - My wife Janie and I played in six sessions. Our first mission Thursday morning was called All fives. The planes were either DH5's SE5's or Albatros D5's. I had a SE5, Janie had an Albatros D5 and Graham had a DH5, i believe. Anyway Janie shot Graham up pretty good on turn 1 or 2
- [Re: Dawn Patrol at Gen Con](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/dawn-patrol-at-gen-con-7/) - I think the "All Fives" mission was Friday morning, with Blake judging. I was in an SE5, and took twenty hits in the first couple of turns, most of them from Janie (16). That included two crits, one of which shot the drum out of my Lewis gun. I flew off and took two turns
- [Re: Dawn Patrol at Gen Con](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/dawn-patrol-at-gen-con-5/) - I played in four games oversee days. Rick Lacy gave me a light wound in the first game, and my pilot died in the hospital after a successful landing behind the lines. I shot down Janie Fritz in game two. In game three, The World's Largest Dawn Patrol, Rick took me head on on turn
- [Re: Dawn Patrol at Gen Con](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/dawn-patrol-at-gen-con-8/) - Please remember if you judged any games get your report to George ASAP so it can be included in the Aerodrome.
- [Re: Re:Gen Con warmup gaming](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regen-con-warmup-gaming-2/) - Is this gaming on the Wednesday evening? After some hotel shuffling, I've just ended up taking a room at the Hyatt, arriving Wednesday.
- [Re: Re:Gen Con warmup gaming](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regen-con-warmup-gaming-3/) - Yes it will be at the Hyatt starting at 1pm and go until .....
- [Re: Re:Gen Con warmup gaming](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regen-con-warmup-gaming/) - I hope to be there if all things go well. It will all depend on what time I can get out of the cities. John
- [Re: Re:Newbie eyeing the waters...](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/renewbie-eyeing-the-waters/) - Hal, I am currently moderating an e-game, and can tell you how we are currently running it. We play full 'double blind' so only the moderator and each player knows what is happening to their aircraft (unless its public such as smoke or automatically moving first, all table announcements are communicated) and it seems to
- [Re: Re:E-game #9 SIGN UP](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ree-game-9-sign-up-2/) - OK! Thanks Dan! I'll be waiting for Andy's reply.
- [Re: Re:E-game #9 SIGN UP](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ree-game-9-sign-up-5/) - Hello Daniel! You are more than welcome to join us! You will be flying in on turn #2 on the Allied Side, which is starting today. I will send you an email with all the specifics. A few questions- are you familiar with VASSAL Dawn Patrol, and do you have the 1.2 module downloaded? Are
- [Re: Re:E-game #9 SIGN UP](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ree-game-9-sign-up-3/) - I downloaded the 1.2 module and finally figured out how to open the logfile for turn one. It might still be useful to go through a tutorial with you as I'm not 100% sure of how to start my own. Let me know when a good time for this would be. Let me know with
- [Re: After Action Report - July 21, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/after-action-report-july-21-2014/) - Sorry guys, I was running late. I couldn't get on until 7:15-7:20. You must have left shortly before that.
- [Re: After Action Report - July 21, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/after-action-report-july-21-2014-2/) - No worries John, I had to go early and only would have been able to stay until 7:45ish
- [Re: After Action Report - July 21, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/after-action-report-july-21-2014-3/) - Sorry all! I'm away a fair bit this month and next, but will make it when I can. Graham
- [Re: After Action Report - July 21, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/after-action-report-july-21-2014-4/) - I'll try and make the next one. Jennifer is in Switzerland
- [Re: Nexus Game Fair](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/nexus-game-fair/) - In support of an offensive, I think that all missions should be a low level, but at least at hign level the gliders could get home And to bring the quality and quantity of the German Jagdstaffels down would help as well. Thanks to all to played at Nexus, it was a fun time! Keep
- [Re: Re:Game 15 over](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regame-15-over/) - Hi Gary, The bombers did very well despite our efforts. We all came away with our pilots and a mission so that is always a good thing. I am waiting for Mike to make the final approval on the statistics of the Ilya Muromet. It could then be added to the game. Once Mike approves
- [Re: Re:EGame15](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reegame15/) - I'm in!!!!!!
- [Re: Re:EGame15](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reegame15-4/) - Maverick is in as well
- [Re: Re:EGame15](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reegame15-2/) - Hi all, I received my Dawn Patrol game this morning so if you do not mind playing with a total newbie I would like to be in as well. I am located in South Australia though so there is a time difference. Are there rules I can download for the Email games please? I click
- [Re: Re:EGame15](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reegame15-5/) - VFCBaxter, Do you have Vassal already installed on your computer? If you are ready to play, I will count you in! Also, I sent you a private message. Please check that and respond in private. Oh yeah, forgot to ask in the PM, what name to do you prefer to go by? **Edit: Regarding your
- [Re: Re:EGame15](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reegame15-3/) - Come on guys! We only need one more to get this game off the ground! Surely there is one amongst you brave enough!
- [Re: Re:EGame15](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reegame15-6/) - OK, AP is the fifth man in. I did get an email from him. I am busy running around today but hope to get the game setup to start tomorrow. Keep your eyes on your emails from here out for more information, enjoy! Mark
- [Re: Re:Looking for a squadron](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/relooking-for-a-squadron/) - There is also the option of downloading the Vassal software (free) and playing with others around the world... Of course that option removes your ability to throw dice at your opponent for shooting you down. But all are welcome within the online Dawn Patrol community. Even an occasional taunt is encouraged... And I hope you
- [Re: Re:GASP-Con 9: Nov 1-2, 2008 in Pittsburgh, PA](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regasp-con-9-nov-1-2-2008-in-pittsburgh-pa/) - For anyone interested in attending, we have a deal with the hotel for $99 rooms until October 1st. More info is posted on our forum if you're interested: http://eonsreach.com/gaspforum/index.php?topic=3010.0
- [Re: Re:Spring warm up](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-warm-up/) - So when are you arriving, and when are others arriving?
- [Re: Re:Spring warm up](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respring-warm-up-2/) - I plan to make it there by 5ish on Friday
- [Re: Re:Online Games](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reonline-games/) - Yes Graham, I would be happy to help you load what you need to and join us online. First: Go to vassalengine.org and download the latest version of this software. The procedure is typical of a windows download, go to your downloads folder to find vassal and run/install it. If you have problems PM me
- [Re: Re:Introductions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reintroductions-6/) - Hi, My name is Ken Mrozak, and I've been playing DP or FITS since about 1974. I live in the Milwaukee, WI area, and have been known to go to MN,IN,or MI just to play in a game. I hope to shoot all of you down soon! :laugh:
- [Re: Re:Introductions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reintroductions-7/) - Hi, I'm Jason Stubbs. I got roped into joining a DP game while attending my first GenCon in 1998. The players around the table all seemed so enthusiastic about the game, as opposed to people just looking for a game to join. I was hooked. Great game, great community. Have attended a few events since,
- [Re: Introduction by an old-school gamer](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/introduction-by-an-old-school-gamer/) - Howdy! I'm Eris, a 47-year-old mom who found her old copies of Dawn Patrol and Ace of Aces recently when digging through her basement and ... upon opening the boxes, got inspired to look on the web to see if anybody still plays them and ... I found this site! I've never actually played Dawn
- [Re: Re:Introduction by an old-school gamer](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reintroduction-by-an-old-school-gamer/) - Eris, Welcome, it is great to have you here! VDP is free and for non-FITS members too. If you can swing the 12.67 though and have Paypal, I do recommend joining FITS. The money goes straight to the FITS Treasurer's Paypal account and is used in the various efforts to keep this game alive and
- [Re: Re:Introductions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reintroductions-8/) - Hello, My name is Mark and I live in the Chicago SW suburbs. I started DP in the mid '80's, but the parting of ways of the HS gaming group pretty much ended that. It has always been great to get a few games in at GenCon each of the last 3 years, but this
- [Re: Re:Introductions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reintroductions-9/) - Greetings to one and all. I'm new to the boards but not to Dawn Patrol. I've played the game in one incarnation or another since 1977. I've been away from it for some time due to the pressures of family and work, but I've decided to get involved again! I guess I just miss the
- [Re: Re:Introductions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reintroductions-19/) - Welcome to the forums Mal, Not sure we have any AR. guys here but hopefully a couple more will join up. Just out of idle curiosity, did your lawer survive the divorce?
- [Re: Re:Introductions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reintroductions-20/) - Unfortunately.... He had too much of a head start!
- [Re: Re:Introductions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reintroductions-10/) - Steve Page, here, in Cartersville Georgia. I've had a copy of Dawn Patrol since 1983, playing it occasionally, solitaire. FINALLY I've found a few friends who wish to learn the game and play on a regular basis! My love of WW1 aircraft goes back 53 years, when my dad would build Aurora models and hang
- [Re: Re:Other Games People Play](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reother-games-people-play-4/) - For face-to-face gaming, I play most Sundays with a group of friends. About half the time we play a swords & sorcery RPG campaign using the Rolemaster system and the rest of the time is an assortment of diverse boardgames - games that have been popular lately include Twilight Imperium, Arkham Horror, various editions of
- [Re: Re:Other Games People Play](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reother-games-people-play-5/) - Our MN group has been playing a lot of 'Power Grid' and Agricola' board games when we do not have a foursome. Both are great games! Dan, I would be interested in the WWII online, can I get away w/ an older machine to play it on or do i need the latest & greatest
- [Re: Re:Other Games People Play](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reother-games-people-play-6/) - cubsfan4life wrote: Quote: Dan, I would be interested in the WWII online, can I get away w/ an older machine to play it on or do i need the latest & greatest graphic card to run it? I used to play Red Baron II quite a bit so like the flight sims... speaking of which,
- [Re: Re:Other Games People Play](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reother-games-people-play-7/) - Is a joystick required for the WWII game? If so, I am out of luck. But RBII - would be game for that for sure!! If anyone else is interested, I believe you can download the game for free now... the instructions are out in the forum on the www.theaerodrome.com website under games somewhere...
- [Re: Re:Other Games People Play](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reother-games-people-play-8/) - I'll try just about anything once, but the ones I always go back to: Dungeons & Dragons v3.x Classic Battletech Car Wars v2.5 Formula De Just about any Euro Boardgame you throw at me, my favs are Ticket to Ride, Carcassonne, Puerto Rico, Settlers, Stone Age, etc. My gaming group meets from noon to midnight
- [Re: Re:Other Games People Play](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reother-games-people-play-9/) - Most of my gaming time these days revolves around a series of games by Avalanche Press called Panzer Grenadier: http://www.avalanchepress.com/line_Panzer.php It's a wonderful system that combines fairly simple rules, colorful boards/counters, playability, and historical accuracy. In my mind it's greatest benefit is that it's a great solitaire game. There probably hasn't been two consecutive days
- [Re: Re:Other Games People Play](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reother-games-people-play-2/) - I play many games, at one time I owned my own game store..... Some favorites I like (but lack a group to play with); All the RISK's, all the Axis and Allies... even the new minature table top version, FRAG, Napolean in Europe, The World at War, Twilight Emperium, Starcraft the boardgame... I own over
- [Re: Re:Other Games People Play](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reother-games-people-play-10/) - Welcome GenHawk - just want to suggest that you checkout Rise Of Flight for the PC if you haven't already. If you buy it, I am looking for players to go up against or fly co-op with. Dan
- [Re: Re:Other Games People Play](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reother-games-people-play-11/) - I still play some Legend of the Five Rings CCG, but my primary interest is DP. I will try to get some other players to the Game Dy in Illinois on 11/20 to grow the game. Andrew, has Mark pulled out the Dominion Game up there in Minney? Its a good game in that it
- [Re: Re:Other Games People Play](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reother-games-people-play-12/) - I will check it out next time I am at FRY's Electronics.... how old is the game?
- [Re: Re:Other Games People Play](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reother-games-people-play-13/) - You might be able to find it there, but I had to order it from Amazon - it has been out for a year or so and is still receiving updates and improvements from the developers. It is a Russian studio of WW1 aviation enthusiasts that created the game.
- [Re: Re:Other Games People Play](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reother-games-people-play-3/) - Dan! You're playing WWII online? !S I do trust you're an Axis officer? I certainly don't want to see you on my kill list LOL. Anyways as far as board gaming and the like; I've started a gaming club here where I live. To get people hooked I started with Talisman. That's a great game
- [Re: Re:Other Games People Play](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reother-games-people-play/) - I should add that if any of you want to try out any of the games I listed, I would be happy to help show you the ropes and get you more quickly acclimated to any of them.
- [Re: Re:Introductions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reintroductions-11/) - Hi, my name is Kevan Sumner and I live in Brandon, Manitoba, in the Great White North (aka Canada). I started playing DP somewhere around 18 years ago when I was introduced to it by a cousin and his friends who started playing it at university. I hadn't played for close to a decade though,
- [Re: Re:Introductions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reintroductions-12/) - My name is Jim Robertson, and I live in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA. I started playing Dawn Patrol in the early to mid-80's with a group of friends from Junior High School. I honestly can't remember when I was first introduced to it, but it's always been one of my top 5 favorite games (along with
- [Re: Re:Introductions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reintroductions-2/) - I first found Dawn Patrol in the mid-80s. Shortly after finding D&D the realization that there were games that were not produced by Parker Bro. or Milton Bradly opened up a whole new universe of possible games to myself and my friends. We wasted little time filling a room full of games on every subject.
- [Re: Re:Introductions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reintroductions-14/) - I am Ron Currie, member of the Apache Jagdstaffel. I have been playing for about 5 years off and on, and have yet to post a pilot. I am, however, lucky enough to play with (and against) my wife a couple of times a month now.
- [Re: Re:Introductions Eric Weiss signing in](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reintroductions-eric-weiss-signing-in/) - Hi all, Eric Weiss, the world vagabond is signing in and letting everyone know I am back in Wisconsin. I've been playing since the early 80s, when I have the time and am near fellow players. The new website looks awesome! Great to be here. Eric
- [Re: Re:Introductions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reintroductions-13/) - Jim -- If you play DP in Pittsburgh, do you know Marco Fabiani? He lives in Beaver Falls, PA and used to play DP face to face with Jim Barber when Jim lived in Pittsburgh (Jim now lives in Saint Louis). If not, Marco's e mail is mafabiani@gmail.com. That's from a year-old list, but it
- [Re: Re:Introductions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reintroductions-15/) - Quote: If you play DP in Pittsburgh, do you know Marco Fabiani? Yep, I played with Marco once or twice at Jim Barber's house. I thought it was from Central PA though, I didn't realize he was that close to us. I'll try to contact him and let him know that we're playing more regularly
- [Re: Re:Introductions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reintroductions-3/) - Hail to All, I'm Blake Taylor, and I've been playing Dawn Patrol since 1987. I first learned to play the game as part of a gaming club during my college days in Madison, WI, under the eyes of Master like Al Christensen, George Henion & Marty Stever. I reside in Milwaukee along with a rag-tag
- [Re: Re:Introductions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reintroductions-16/) - Hello to all. I am Daniel Cotte. I've been playing Dawn Patrol on and off since the late 80's in Puerto Rico. I attended a GenCon around that same time and met Mr. Carr and other veteran FITS members there. Since then I have played DP with small groups of friends in Puerto Rico and
- [Re: Re:Introductions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reintroductions-4/) - Howdy, y'all! I'm John Seibel and I'm rather new to the FITS/DP scene! In fact, I just flew my first two missions a few weeks ago at Mr. Carr's house along with his regular crew! Thanks, guys! {they were nice enough not to flame me! :laugh: } It was a lot of fun and I
- [Re: Re:Introductions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reintroductions-17/) - An update to my introduction: I have just moved back to the New York City area for work related reasons. If there are any DP players in the area please let me know. Thanks!
- [Re: Re:Introductions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reintroductions-18/) - D.Cotte wrote: Quote: Hello to all. I am Daniel Cotte. I've been playing Dawn Patrol on and off since the late 80's in Puerto Rico. I attended a GenCon around that same time and met Mr. Carr and other veteran FITS members there. Since then I have played DP with small groups of friends in
- [Re: Re:Introductions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reintroductions-5/) - G'day Wertzz from South Australia. Been playing FITS since the early 80's. The biggest game we've have had here is 10.At present we have 4 regulars, but trying to get a bigger group together.
- [Re: Re:Introductions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reintroductions/) - My name is Rick Lacy and I live in Indianapolis, IN. I've been playing DP since April of 2000 (a relative noob compared to Al and Ken and etc,etc,etc). Wow, that sounds kinda like an intro during a 12 step program... "Hi, I'm Rick Lacy, and I'm a FITS player..."
- [Re: Re:Hello](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rehello/) - Hi Matt! Welcome to the site! There are a few of us that have started using the Wings of War series of miniatures and incorporating them into Dawn Patrol... I would recommend checking out the 'Main Gallery' section under the community tab and check out Dan's page regarding using miniatures. I also have a webpage
- [Re: Re:Hello](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rehello-2/) - Nice looking setup in miniature on the website, I'll check out the rest of the site later tonight. I don't know exactly what size the models I have now are. I think they may be 1/144 scale. Do you know what scale the Wings of War models are? I've also have been talking to a
- [Re: Re:Hello](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rehello-3/) - Glad to have you with us here Matt. I see that Andy already answered your questions. I hope to fly with /against :angry: you in Vassal soon!
- [Re: Re:Hello](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rehello-4/) - The WoW models are the 1/144 scale. I have not personally seen the Reviresco models - are the ones you are using pre-built or did you build them yourself? The bases that Dan & I have made are fairly easy to make & cheaper than $10 each, but i know the time to make them
- [Re: Re:Greetings!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regreetings-15/) - I do know Andy and will let him know. I know he cannot access this site from his work, but he'll get to it eventually. Heck, I don't even know if he's approved me yet. You are not missing out on any secret content or members only jackets. We're working on scheduling a weekend game
- [Re: Re:Greetings!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regreetings-16/) - Thank you Dutch!!
- [Re: Re:Greetings!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regreetings-17/) - Scott, Andy here- I apologize I have neglected to check for new requests on here recently, but will figure out how to and get you and Dutch added! We do have a 'regular' DP group and the best way to get involved in games is to get on our local email list. If you want
- [Re: Re:My account was hijacked](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/remy-account-was-hijacked/) - I was just coming here to let you know
- [Re: Re:2nd time around....](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/re2nd-time-around/) - Zen, Welcome back to the game! I hope your local group enjoys the game. Whether or not they do, there is always Virtual Dawn Patrol too! The software is free to load, and we are currently running two games simultaneously, with a third game planned to start soon (which I will be running). These games
- [Re: Re:2nd time around....](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/re2nd-time-around-2/) - Zen wrote: Quote: . 1). Any other Canucks out there? 2). Aerodrome...what is this? Your FITS membership seems like a great idea, but does it work up here, or is it just 'in-house?' 2-b). Along those lines, any recommended links or other resources? Especially as it concerns more board! As soon as i opened the
- [Re: Re:2nd time around....](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/re2nd-time-around-3/) - Well, that seemed to go okay. Realized that not playing in over a decade had accrued a little rust, but we muddled through it somehow! The guys seemed to enjoy themselves, especially when more of them died landing their planes than in combat LOL ... I had laid out a recon/fighter intercept scenario, but it
- [Re: Re:2nd time around....](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/re2nd-time-around-4/) - Clouds happen If you look at it from the underdog point of view, those were life saving clouds. LOL
- [Re: Re:2nd time around....](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/re2nd-time-around-5/) - Just received my subscription to Aerodrome, leafing thru issue #111 right now...i have to say it gives a great feel for the camaraderie of the FITS gang. i am off to Australia for training with NORFORCE for a few weeks, but when i return i am looking to diving into a few more games, whether
- [Re: Re:2nd time around....](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/re2nd-time-around-6/) - What is it you are looking for in the reports?
- [Re: Back in the air...](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/back-in-the-air/) - Welcome back to the ranks, it was enjoyable flying with you, and hope to see you at other society events George FITS Society Events Coordinator
- [Re: Back in the air...](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/back-in-the-air-2/) - Hey Allen! Sorry I was unable to make it up from Chicago to meet you in person, that was my first missed Minneapolis Mini-Conn in three years. I am the resident "Vassal Guy," and I look forward to seeing you online soon. We usually get together on Sunday and Monday nights around 7PM Central. Also,
- [Re: Back in the air...](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/back-in-the-air-3/) - Hi Alan, It was great to fly with you during the FITS mini con. I think everyone had a great time. It was fun to read your blurb about digging out your information from the basement. I am sure your wife is as amused by this as my wife is with my exploits. It is
- [Re: Back in the air...](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/back-in-the-air-4/) - Hi Mark, I would love to give Dawn Patrol via Vassal a try. Can you point me in the right direction? I've never tried vassal before. Thanks. Graham Cox
- [Re: Back in the air...](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/back-in-the-air-5/) - Well Graham, let me say how wonderful your timing is! We are playtesting Dawn Patrol using Roll20.net instead of Vassal, and we are pretty much starting that up today! We have had some serious issues with connectivity using Vassal, server drops on I would say 1 time in 4 that we play. So if you
- [Re: Back in the air...](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/back-in-the-air-6/) - Ok, I'll see if I can give it a whirl. Thanks!
- [Re: Back in the air...](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/back-in-the-air-7/) - Yes I see you already created an account on roll20, and are a part of the campaign, good job! All you have to do now is press the launch campaign link and you are golden.
- [Re: Re:Is this legal?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reis-this-legal/) - I have forwarded this link to Mike Carr to see if it's legal, my thought is that it's not as he owns the trademark to the game. BTW there are 2 copies at a used game store here in WI for 30.00 each
- [Re: Re:Salesmanship](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/resalesmanship/) - Hal, No offense taken and suggestions are always welcome. The idea of showing which of the Aerodromes are downloadable to all visitors is a good idea. I have thumbnail images that I can use for that purpose. Mike and I recently spoke about yet another batch of Aerodromes to be added along with issue #100
- [Re: Re:Salesmanship](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/resalesmanship-3/) - Hal, You make some very good points and they are well received and appreciated!! Current members have been promised a new set of charts in the next issue, and maybe we can get a list of these from Mike to post here on the site, that way as you say, we can 'salivate' over whats
- [Re: Re:Salesmanship](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/resalesmanship-2/) - Hal makes some pretty good points, and I feel the same way, which is why I've never joined FITS. Granted, it's only $12 a year, but being on a tight budget, I have to really justify everything I spend even small amounts of money on. So far, I haven't seen anything to justify the expenditure.
- [Re: Re:Salesmanship](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/resalesmanship-4/) - cubsfan4life wrote: Quote: one of the best benefits of being a member is that any new chart or item for the game that does get completed, it goes into the Aerodrome for all us that play the game, regardless of when the 8th edition arrives That brings up another question I had... if you are
- [Re: Re:Salesmanship](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/resalesmanship-6/) - Mind you, I'm not thinking that I want a lot of "free" stuff (although that would be nice!). I am however, one of those who have been hoping to see an 8th edition copy printed out - and soon. It also seems to be such that if you're playing by rules that are essentially 7.5
- [Re: Re:Salesmanship](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/resalesmanship-5/) - yoodle wrote: Quote: An international database of active pilots. Not just aces. It would be nice to have all this stuff stored in one place. Yoodle, this is the DP-PILOTS tool that has been mentioned elsewhere on the website. It is only available to FITS members. It is a single place to store all of
- [Re: Re:Greetings!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regreetings/) - Hey Scott, Welcome! I take it your cookie issue is resolved since I see you in here. Or, were you attempting to signup with FITS when it happened? Dan
- [Re: Re:Greetings!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regreetings-2/) - Hi Dan, Thank you for your kindness. I was able to resolve my cookie issue. I am glad to be a part of the group and very anxious to learn how to play Dawn Patrol. I am a very avid Aviation nut!! LOL.
- [Re: Re:Greetings!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regreetings-3/) - Scott, While it may be intimidating since you are new - you should consider trying to attend the Annual Spring Mini-Con that is happenning in Milwaukee at the end of April. Here is a link to the event page: Spring Mini-Con Event Page Other than that, if we can get a few of the Minnesota
- [Re: Re:Greetings!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regreetings-4/) - Dan, Thank you for the invite. I have been trying to understand the mechanics of the game. I did have a friend help me play the game once for a few turns to try to get the feel of it. He could not devote his full attention as he was working at the time. He
- [Re: Re:Greetings!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regreetings-5/) - The cost for the convention is usually very minimal - unless of course you stay at the hotel (that you reserve on your own - there should be a FITS rate). If I remember right past MiniCon costs were only around $10 to $15 and you can of course join FITS in person there if
- [Re: Re:Greetings!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regreetings-6/) - Hi Dan, I was able to download the information you included in your last post. Thank you so much! This is very cool! I have been looking at it here this morning and trying to figure it out. I did download the TeamSpeak that you had a link to. The problem is that I do
- [Re: Re:Greetings!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regreetings-7/) - Hey Scott, There is quite a contingent up in Minnesota so you may not be to far away from a game. We will have to drop the Priests a note and see if we can hook you up:)
- [Re: Re:Greetings!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regreetings-8/) - Joseki, Hello and thank you for the information. I would love to meet some of the local pilots here in Minnesota. I had sent a request to join the Minnesota Squadron and am waiting to see if I am approved. I really look forward to playing with you guys, once I know what I am
- [Re: Re:Greetings!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regreetings-9/) - Dan, I have a question. I had requested to join the Minnesota Ghost Squadron. I see my request is pending approval. Do you know who takes care of that? Is it you or is there someone in Minnesota in charge of the group? Scott
- [Re: Re:Greetings!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regreetings-10/) - That is CubsFan4Life also known as Andy. Although I should have access to. Let me see if I can approve you and then you can broadcast a message to those guys. Dan
- [Re: Re:Greetings!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regreetings-11/) - Dan, Thank you. I did see Andy's information on the player page. I will await any response.
- [Re: Re:Greetings!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regreetings-12/) - Scott, There is a small group of us that play a couple times a month here in the cities. I'm meeting up with a few of them tonight and we'll try to set up a weekend game if you would like to make the drive into town to play in person. Dutch
- [Re: Re:Greetings!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regreetings-13/) - Dutch, Thank you so much for the invitation!! I would love to meet up with you guys. As you may know, I am very new to the game and am still trying to learn all the mechanics. I am currently unemployed so week nights or week ends are not a problem. I would need some
- [Re: Re:Greetings!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regreetings-14/) - Dutch, Do you know Andy Priest? I understand that he is the Squadron leader for the Minnesota Ghost Squadron. I had sent in a request to join and I have not heard back as of yet. I have been chatting with Dan in Chicago and he has been a great help to me. All I
- [Re: Re:CAMPAIGN REPORT (Missions #4,5,6)](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recampaign-report-missions-456/) - For anyone interested, here is our score sheet so far... [file name=score_sheet.zip size=5939]http://dawnpatrol.org/images/fbfiles/files/score_sheet.zip[/file]
- [Re: Re:Squadron Report 3/14/09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/resquadron-report-31409/) - Well done Harry
- [Re: Re:Squadron Report 10.17.09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/resquadron-report-10-17-09/) - That game three sounded like a fun one Do you guys take a break during the holiday season?
- [Re: Re:Squadron Report 10.17.09](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/resquadron-report-10-17-09-2/) - Not really, no, we are still playing weekly. I just have not had time to post reports!
- [Re: Re:Squadron Report 3.23.10](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/resquadron-report-3-23-10/) - Thanks for the write up - that was an entertaining one
- [Re: Re:Squadron Report 3/10](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/resquadron-report-310/) - Hey, you talking about me? Hopefully we can get back to the skies soon.
- [Re: Andrew Priest](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/andrew-priest/) - Hey Scott- for some reason I never saw this post until now... Guess I was busy moving across the country or something?!? Well Thanxs for the kind words - I always enjoying 'flying' with you and certainly miss playing with the crew!!! I am glad we still get to shoot at eachother online though!!
- [Re: Re:Mini-con July 4th and 5th](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/remini-con-july-4th-and-5th/) - Hey guys ok most of the details are posted in the event thing I posted here. The con will take place Friday night the 3rd through Sunday the 5th. As most of you probably know we have been talking for quite some time about a Tournament honoring Michael Jackson (not the one that just died)
- [Re: Re:Mini-con July 4th and 5th](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/remini-con-july-4th-and-5th-3/) - How did the CON go? Are you or someone from the group going to do a write up?
- [Re: Re:Mini-con July 4th and 5th](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/remini-con-july-4th-and-5th-2/) - Psst. Con starts in 3 days so you still have time to get here:woohoo: And yes we will do a recap probably in the next Aerodrome.
- [Re: Re:Mini-con July 4th and 5th](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/remini-con-july-4th-and-5th-4/) - Should have mentioned this earlier yes we had a blast shot down lots of people and the tourney mission was a blast. Read more about it in the upcoming Aerodrome!
- [Re: Re:Anyone have their Aerodrome handy?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reanyone-have-their-aerodrome-handy/) - The minicon is April 16th-18th and I will get you the flyer as soon as I do it this weekend. Thanks George
- [Re: Re:Anyone have their Aerodrome handy?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reanyone-have-their-aerodrome-handy-3/) - Thanks George - sounds good
- [Re: Re:Anyone have their Aerodrome handy?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reanyone-have-their-aerodrome-handy-2/) - Are we at the same hotel?
- [Re: Re:Anyone have their Aerodrome handy?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reanyone-have-their-aerodrome-handy-4/) - From what I heard, yes.
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-62/) - The following link is to a Word file that has the images for the SP2, plus a bunch of other odd planes. Someone must have sent it to me, as I don't make a habit of storing my images this way. However, I have no idea who it would have been, so can't give credit
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-63/) - Wow!! Thanks Kevan Thats an awesome file!!
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-64/) - SORRY Jim, I have to apologize. I recognize those as my counters & my word file... I had forgotten I had made those, and somehow lost the source frame images for many of those AC... me thinks i need a better file organization system... P.S. for printing counters, that word file is a breeze! Just
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-65/) - Hey no worries Andrew, I use the blank wordfile you sent me a couple of years ago and the pixels on the sheet Kevan posted are high enough to reverse engineer the plane I want. So getting that image gets me down to just needing those Frenchies. Thanks again!
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-66/) - Might be a good idea to post a request for images of those French aircraft in the forum over at theaerodrome.com. I didn't have any luck finding any in my usual sources.
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-67/) - Done with the SP2/3 and 4. The difference between the sp2 and 3 is about 5 feet of wing and a bigger engine.
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-68/) - Bought the French book working on scans should be done by the end of the week
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-69/) - Woo-Hoo!
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-3/) - Hey Guys, Just an update here. Posted in the download section are both Central and allied powers counter sheets. These sheets cover all planes currently in the rules. Also posted are Balloons, vehichles, trains and artillery. Download and enjoy!!
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-70/) - You sir.. are awesome! For anyone hosting games, be sure to check out everything that Jim has posted
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-61/) - That would be a great help Kevan. I've read the descriptions on the 3 an four and I believe with an SP 2 image even a bad one I can come up with the others. It is based on a Farman and I think the seating is the difference. Thanks again this is a great
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-36/) - Hey Kevan, You are correct. The Rubild is a stripped down version of the CVII missing one gun and carrying special photography equipment.
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-37/) - Joseki wrote: Quote: There is a Roland DIIa on it. However it is a Roland DII. Soooooooooo... should we just use the DII? I am not really sure what the difference is and it may be minor. In the proverbial 8th Ed there will be a Roland D.II and a Roland D.IIa They'll work a
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-38/) - Joseki wrote: Quote: P.s. Also I can cover most of the Spads you wished for Al. Least I think I can. Soon as I get a complete counter sheet I will shoot it over to Andy or Dan to post on the site. I have dozens of SPAD images, so could fill in any gaps
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-39/) - Hey Kevan, What planes are you missing?
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-40/) - I'll need to go over the list of plane stats and compare it with my counter files (which are in desperate need of sorting). Give me a few days and I'll get back to you.
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-41/) - Hi guys, Ok think I have it together, I am missing the Hansa-Brandenburg GW from the Central Powers, and the Caudron R4 and the Donnet-Denhaut DD2 and DD8 from the allies. Hope you guys can help with those. Al I am still hoping you will find a GW in your stuff. Thanks again.~~Jim
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-42/) - Unfortunately I do not have any of those
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-44/) - Thats not good, (Chuckles) Kevan? Al? Anyone else? Are there any holes I can fill for you Andy?
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-33/) - Joseki wrote: Quote: Oh and I forgot a Roland DII and a D3 are suppossed to look different. Does anyone have a counter? I checked the Albatros Publications Datafile on the Roland D II and found a plan-view of the Roland D III in Over the Front Vol 19 #1. They are virtually identical. The
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-43/) - Joseki wrote: Quote: Hi guys, Ok think I have it together, I am missing the Hansa-Brandenburg GW from the Central Powers, and the Caudron R4 and the Donnet-Denhaut DD2 and DD8 from the allies. Hope you guys can help with those. Al I am still hoping you will find a GW in your stuff. Thanks
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-45/) - Alien wrote: Quote: Joseki wrote: Quote: Oh and I forgot a Roland DII and a D3 are suppossed to look different. Does anyone have a counter? I checked the Albatros Publications Datafile on the Roland D II and found a plan-view of the Roland D III in Over the Front Vol 19 #1. They are
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-31/) - Oh and I forgot a Roland DII and a D3 are suppossed to look different. Does anyone have a counter?
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-32/) - If memory serves me correctly, the Rubild was visually indistinguishable from any of the other C.IV-IX variants, other than that, as a photo-reconnaissance plane, it didn't have a forward-firing machinegun. At the level of detail on your typical counter, that won't be distinguishable. I don't have a Freidrichshaven 41a or Roland DIII, wouldn't mind adding
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-34/) - Here's a list I made up and gave to Mike C. of variations I'd like to see in the 8ed counter mix. variations I'd like to see in the couunter silhouettes for 8ed. Albatros D II: No radiator/center line radiator Albatros D III: Center line radiator/ Offset right radiator Albatros D V: no headrest/headrest Halberstadt
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-35/) - Ok I might be chasing my tail. I checked the basic counters from the box. There is a Roland DIIa on it. However it is a Roland DII. Soooooooooo... should we just use the DII? I am not really sure what the difference is and it may be minor. Thoughts? That means the only central
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-46/) - Alien wrote: Quote: Joseki wrote: Quote: Hi guys, Ok think I have it together, I am missing the Hansa-Brandenburg GW from the Central Powers, and the Caudron R4 and the Donnet-Denhaut DD2 and DD8 from the allies. Hope you guys can help with those. Al I am still hoping you will find a GW in
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-47/) - The three froggies all have good silhouettes in THE book on French aircraft, French Aircraft of the First World War by Dr James J. Davilla and Arthur M. Soltan. I recommend that you buy it. I found a photo of a H-B GW in Cross and Cockade Vol 7, #2. Unfortunately it's from a 3/4
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-48/) - Thanks AL. The cheapest French Aircraft Book on Amazon is over 80 bucks. I'm pretty free with my money but I just can't justify spending that amount of cash for 4 counters.
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-49/) - Don't justify it, just do it!
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-50/) - My dad has the French book... unfortunately his book collection is packed away at the moment. Next time he has it out I can grab it & scan the images... dont hold your breath though as it may be awhile!!!
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-51/) - Regarding the Hansa-Brandenburg GW, I've exhausted my collection. I searched carefully through The Aerodrome Forums, All I found was some goober named cubsfan4life who asked twice and got no answers either.
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-52/) - Alien wrote: Quote: Regarding the Hansa-Brandenburg GW, I've exhausted my collection. I searched carefully through The Aerodrome Forums, All I found was some goober named cubsfan4life who asked twice and got no answers either. Drat!! Thanks Al I appreaciate you looking. I've found alot of stuff on modeling sites I will go back through and
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-53/) - Ok new counters... I have recently come across top views of several tanks, trucks, and staff cars. So those drawings are available if anyone wants them. I will mention it may be a week or so if you need the scans. My moms puter died and she jacked mine till I get hers fixed. Sighs...
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-55/) - HEY! Found the HB-GW on a Russian website!
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-54/) - Joseki wrote: Quote: I have come across alot of views of the Sopwith Cookoo, another allied torpedo plane. Mind if I ask the rational for not using it? Does it appear to late? Yes. A few had been produced in 1918 but there was no operational use. It wouldn't hurt to have a counter or
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-56/) - I just threw together some counter sheets out of my better electronic files. Sadly, in preparing coutners for Vassal Dawn Patrol, I reduced most of my files to low-res versions that don't print well. I'll need to work on those, but for now feel free to print these for your own use. You may need
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-57/) - Hmmm I seem to be Missing the SP.2, SP.3 and SP.4 Andy? Kevan? Have a good scan for me. Thanks~~Jim
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-58/) - Unfortunately that one is on my 'cannot find' list as well...
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-59/) - Kevan Sp 2,3,4?
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-60/) - [quoteKevan Sp 2,3,4? [/quote] Sorry, kept forgetting to dig through my files. I do have two SP2 images that I used for the Vassal module. As is the case with all of the images I used for Vassal, the resolution is really poor. I'll need to do some more digging to see if I have
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-17/) - Joseki wrote: Quote: How did this thing make the roll-up charts? Because we had a British Torpedo plane and needed a German Torpedo plane in case that mission was rolled up.
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-18/) - Thats what I get for asking. LOL:) Ok does a Pfalz DVIII look the same as a DXII? I can't find a D8 drawing either.
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-19/) - Okay, this time I can come through for you. http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=9dda2d8a5a01110bd5a101cf914073b4e873e654f197c9d2 In the folder I've linked to, I've saved four images that I used for Vassal Dawn Patrol counters. They're each 70x70 pixels, so not the best quality for 1" counters, but not horrible either. There is also a scan of the DVIII and DXII top
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-20/) - The Pfalz DVIII looks the same as the Pfalz Dr.1. lmk if you need a copy of that one!
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-21/) - Hey Kevan could you kindly email me that scan I just can't seem to download it. Thanks~~Jim Joseki_Ko13@cox.net Mason_Jar1@hotmail.com (Hopefully one of those will work)
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-22/) - Just sent it by email. Let me know if you don't get it. Found another DXII pic while I was doing it. [img size=271]http://dawnpatrol.org/images/fbfiles/images/pfalzdxii.JPG[/img]
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-23/) - Hey thanks Kevan got my new puter and your scan thanks for the help. Soon as I get my new brain organized I'll do a list and see if I'm missing anything else. Thanks again!
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-24/) - Hey guys still working on my list but I am looking for a Caudron R4 and a Hansa Brandenburg GW. Andy? Kevan? Anyone?
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-25/) - There is a chance i have those, i will check on my home PC when i get a chance!
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-27/) - Kool thanks Andy, you Rock!
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-28/) - Find 'em?
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-26/) - You've hit two gaps in my collection. The closest I have to the R4 is the R11 and the I think I have every H-B seaplanes except for the GW.
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-29/) - Yeah same here, dont have either.
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-30/) - Ok lets try this one. Rumpler rubild? Also I found a Freidrichshafen 41a do you guys need it?
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-16/) - Found out why its so hard to find a drawing. Therewere only 5 of these things built. How did this thing make the roll-up charts?
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol miniatures campaign pics and details!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-miniatures-campaign-pics-and-details/) - MK2, Both maps are AMAZING! I have been wanting to do a new trench map for some time now, and now I have an example to aspire to! Where abouts do you play? Any chance of yourself or anyone from your group making the mini-con? I am really interested to hear how the campaign works
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol miniatures campaign pics and details!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-miniatures-campaign-pics-and-details-2/) - That is amazing! I would love to play in a campaign style game. If it could be kept going on Vassal that would be neat. MK2 Please keep us updated here. can't wait to hear and see more. And as Cubsfan4Life asked where are you located. Just so I know where to plan my next
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol miniatures campaign pics and details!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-miniatures-campaign-pics-and-details-3/) - Our group is located in Florida-central and south (some being as far away as a few hours) . We have a total of 10 players and hope to start a squadron page. I just recently joined FITS (I have been playing dawn patrol on and off for (24 years)and would like to know if anyone
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol miniatures campaign pics and details!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-miniatures-campaign-pics-and-details-13/) - Check out the DP-PILOTS tool on the FITS Only tab. You can enter your pilot data here. I will soon have Squadron/Player stats listed based on what is entered. Also, it is our hope that the new Worldwide Ace List could come from this data. The problem is not everyone will enter their data. I
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol miniatures campaign pics and details!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-miniatures-campaign-pics-and-details-14/) - Ok update to the game. 8 Players showed up and we had quite a furball. One Albatros was shot down (pilot hit) and all others planes went home with plenty of holes (and one lightly wounded newly minted Ace). Enjoy the pictures Here is a picture of my mini collection, the ones on the top
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol miniatures campaign pics and details!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-miniatures-campaign-pics-and-details-15/) - MK2, As before great pics. That trench map is outstanding. Are you using any special/house rules, like repair and replacement Aircraft? Are you doing any 2 seater missions. How often do you plan on meeting. John
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol miniatures campaign pics and details!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-miniatures-campaign-pics-and-details-16/) - MK2, If you dont mind me asking, where were you able to get the skytrex models? I have seen them online for sale from UK companies, but have not found them here in the states. I have very little experience building models but would like to learn...do you think these would be too difficult/frustrating to
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol miniatures campaign pics and details!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-miniatures-campaign-pics-and-details-17/) - I order directly from Skytex here: http://www.skytrex.com/index.html?lang=en-uk&target=d136.html I have ordered about 90 planes form them and decals and have had no problems. They take about 10 days ot be delivered to the US. The assembly is easy (some small metal pieces), its the paint jobs that might be more difficult. There are also 1/144 pre
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol miniatures campaign pics and details!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-miniatures-campaign-pics-and-details-18/) - MK2 wrote: Quote: Cubfan, I uploaded an avatar picture but it does not show...any ideas? MK2 My guess is that Dan or Cubsfan may have to give it permision, I'm sure they will take care of it as soon as they can. John
- [Re: Re:The very first Hey Al thread](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rethe-very-first-hey-al-thread-3/) - Joseki wrote: Quote: Well by all means lets start here. It is my understanding that the large plane rules state these bigger planes fly level only and don't do fancy manuvers. So if we keep to the restriction multi-engine rules apply that covers your adition. That was inserted on an earlier incarnation of this web
- [Re: Re:The very first Hey Al thread](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rethe-very-first-hey-al-thread-4/) - Ok I'll clean up what I have. Not sure I have the F1,2,3 rules Might you have a soft copy? Thanks
- [Re: Re:The very first Hey Al thread](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rethe-very-first-hey-al-thread-5/) - Hey Al Variable dive on a Fokker DRI I have conflicting psperwork, How does it work? Including what is posted on this website I have three different versions.
- [Re: Re:The very first Hey Al thread](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rethe-very-first-hey-al-thread-6/) - What I have matches this sites info: If flown prior to Nov 17, have a wingman roll (without informing pilot) to determine the aircraft's maximum dive: 1: 1200; 2: 1250; 3: 1300; 4: 1350; 5: 1400; 6: 1450.
- [Re: Re:The very first Hey Al thread](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rethe-very-first-hey-al-thread-7/) - Kool thanks Al.
- [Re: Re:The very first Hey Al thread](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rethe-very-first-hey-al-thread/) - I was actually trying to do the Dornier for a tournament scenario. I gave up on it. The performance stats you gave were OK. The only thing I'd add would be an optional rule, no Fancy maneuvers allowed. This would then require Optional Tailing (4 card). The real problem I have is dividing the plane
- [Re: Re:The very first Hey Al thread](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rethe-very-first-hey-al-thread-2/) - Alien wrote: Quote: I was actually trying to do the Dornier for a tournament scenario. I gave up on it. The performance stats you gave were OK. The only thing I'd add would be an optional rule, no Fancy maneuvers allowed. This would then require Optional Tailing (4 card). Well by all means lets start
- [Re: Re:Electronic Game Supplements](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reelectronic-game-supplements/) - It sounds like you have a great resource, and would encourage you to post it out in the 'downloads' area!! I know I would really like to see it... If you are interested in more of these charts, I have collected many different types and made them as available here- http://www.geocities.com/cubsfan4life1908/Mission_Logs.html
- [Re: Re:Electronic Game Supplements](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reelectronic-game-supplements-2/) - I don't have current contact info for Graham. He's on the East Coast now and there isn't an active group in his area so he doesn't play alot. I can't imagine he'd object, but it wouldn't hurt to ask if you can track him down.
- [Re: Re:Electronic Game Supplements](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reelectronic-game-supplements-3/) - cubsfan4life wrote: Quote: It sounds like you have a great resource, and would encourage you to post it out in the 'downloads' area!! I know I would really like to see it... If you are interested in more of these charts, I have collected many different types and made them as available here- http://www.geocities.com/cubsfan4life1908/Mission_Logs.html That
- [Re: Re:Electronic Game Supplements](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reelectronic-game-supplements-4/) - Graham Cox is still involved with DP and the FITS Society, though not as actively as before. His e mail is coxfamily01@earthlink.net I doubt that he would have any objections, but contact him as a courtesy. He may have some helpful observations to offer, also.
- [Re: Re:Multiple rules questions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/remultiple-rules-questions-5/) - Alien wrote: This isn't quite right. AA, Onions, and Heavy AA fire before planes. Ground mg's, planes, and riflemen all fire together. ][/quote] Hmmm ok thats on page 24. I also noticed that if a balloon is surprised the MG's still get to fire. I never knew that. In the last couple of years I
- [Re: Re:Multiple rules questions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/remultiple-rules-questions-7/) - Yeah us 'MN Heretics' have recently decided that we need to 'fly by the book' as well. We had a long discussion about other games we play, and how we never question the rules, so have gone back to normal tailing & tend to reference the rulebook more too. I'll have to say that we
- [Re: Re:Multiple rules questions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/remultiple-rules-questions-2/) - I'm actually wondering if any of us play that MGs don't get surprised. I've played balloon games with Mike and the subject never came up. Though I do not recall if the balloon was surprised. George? Al? Care to comment?
- [Re: Re:Multiple rules questions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/remultiple-rules-questions/) - yoodle wrote: Quote: While running our balloon busting game last Saturday, I ran into a few questions that I couldn't find answers to in the rulebook. I made judgement calls for all of them, but was curious how you guys handled them: [ol] [li]Are balloons always encountered over the front, or can they be behind
- [Re: Re:Multiple rules questions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/remultiple-rules-questions-3/) - Joseki wrote: Quote: yoodle wrote: Quote: While running our balloon busting game last Saturday, I ran into a few questions that I couldn't find answers to in the rulebook. I made judgement calls for all of them, but was curious how you guys handled them: [ol] [li]Are balloons always encountered over the front, or can
- [Re: Re:Multiple rules questions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/remultiple-rules-questions-4/) - Thanks for all the responses, guys, they are all very helpful. One thing to clarify though: Quote: Joseki wrote: You are correct it is total distance. So 100 ft behind and 350 ft above would put you at 450 ft total. I wasn't asking how to calculate the distance, I was wondering if you could
- [Re: Re:Multiple rules questions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/remultiple-rules-questions-6/) - Ahhh my misunderstanding. Yes you can target them!!
- [Re: Re:Balloon Busting Mission](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reballoon-busting-mission/) - Camel 150's Vs Fokker 185's is very equal and if you have an odd number of players the advantage goes to the attacking force. I wouldn't sweat it if you have an even number of players.
- [Re: Re:Balloon Busting Mission](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reballoon-busting-mission-2/) - Cool. Thanks, Joseki! I'll let you know how things go.
- [Re: Re:Balloon Busting Mission](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reballoon-busting-mission-3/) - Well, we played this past Saturday, and it went pretty well, but the Allies got absolutely slaughtered. We had five players, including me, so we had three Sopwiths attacking a German balloon defended by two DVIIs. We (the British) managed to hit the balloon a couple of times, but were not able to take it
- [Re: Re:Balloon Busting Mission](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reballoon-busting-mission-4/) - Yeah, sometimes the defences are lucky, sometimes they're not.
- [Re: Re:Balloon Busting Mission](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reballoon-busting-mission-5/) - Quote: One pilot was hit for a light wound in turn one (also didn't help that he jammed BOTH guns on turn one and was never able to unjam either of them). That would be the way my luck goes on balloon missions. Everyone else in our group loves them because they usually get a
- [Re: Re:Balloon Busting Mission](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reballoon-busting-mission-6/) - Ron wrote: Quote: That would be the way my luck goes on balloon missions. Everyone else in our group loves them because they usually get a kill out of them. The secret is usually to go in as a squadron to divide the ground fire and don't let the luckiest guy at the table roll
- [Re: Re:Balloon Busting Mission](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reballoon-busting-mission-7/) - Yeah, that hurts. When the defenses have 5 or 6 AAs they are still likely to get you, even on a one. I remember one balloon mission that went very well until the escape. We were heading out with me hugging the ground to avoid the AA fire and my wingmate decided to start climbing
- [Re: Re:Balloon Busting Mission](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reballoon-busting-mission-8/) - Ron wrote: Quote: We were heading out with me hugging the ground to avoid the AA fire Hugging the ground? Does AA fire have a minimum altitude that it can affect? I don't remember seeing that in the rules!
- [Re: Re:Balloon Busting Mission](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reballoon-busting-mission-9/) - If you check page 23 of the rulebook you will find that Light AA and Onions cannot depress below 150' so at a range of 50 to 100 feet AA's will not hit you. Of course MG's hit at 1-5 at that range...:dry:
- [Re: Re:Wisconsin house rules](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewisconsin-house-rules/) - Here they are. It took a while because my hard-copy was printed on the dot-matrix printer attached to my Apple IIc. UW Wargaming Club House Rules for Dawn Patrol Adopted on November 14, 1993 P. 3 Determining Movement Planes that are 200 feet or more below all enemy planes move first. P. 4 Special Maneuvers
- [Re: Re:Wisconsin house rules](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewisconsin-house-rules-2/) - That's a lot of interesting house rules. I especially find the P.3 rule interesting. 200 ft below? I think I would always try to have some altitude so that I could go last. Our house rule is 2000 ft since that is above the dive limitations of any aircraft.
- [Re: Re:Wisconsin house rules](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewisconsin-house-rules-3/) - Hey Thanks AL!!! I'm with Ron are you sure thats 200 and not 2000?
- [Re: Re:Wisconsin house rules](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewisconsin-house-rules-4/) - It is 2000 ft
- [Re: Re:Wisconsin house rules](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewisconsin-house-rules-5/) - Oops! Sorry about that missing zero. It is indeed 2,000 feet.
- [Re: Re:Wisconsin house rules](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewisconsin-house-rules-6/) - Thats a house rule? I thought that was standard? I really like the blocked shots- punish those that fly in front of you!!
- [Re: Re:Wisconsin house rules](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewisconsin-house-rules-8/) - RE 2000', I think the book rule requires all on one side to be 2000 below the other side (or something like that).
- [Re: Re:Wisconsin house rules](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewisconsin-house-rules-7/) - lol, I thought I was going to be able to clean up flying my Fokker Dr1 pilot.
- [Re: Re:PDF Rules and Charts](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/repdf-rules-and-charts/) - Due to copyright infringement issues the full set of rules are not availabele in PDF at this time, but there are some charts available. If you are interested in specific charts to supplement the rules please let me know!
- [Re: Re:PDF Rules and Charts](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/repdf-rules-and-charts-3/) - Andy, We should put him in contact with Mike Carr though and see if Mike would want to provide info directly to him. This sounds like a great chance to add more interest in the game! Are you talking to Mike anytime soon? Dan
- [Re: Re:PDF Rules and Charts](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/repdf-rules-and-charts-4/) - I've e-mailed Mike.
- [Re: Re:PDF Rules and Charts](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/repdf-rules-and-charts-5/) - Chiller, has Mike gotten in touch with you?
- [Re: Re:PDF Rules and Charts](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/repdf-rules-and-charts-6/) - Nope, haven't heard a thing.
- [Re: Re:PDF Rules and Charts](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/repdf-rules-and-charts-7/) - I'm still trying to get a reply.
- [Re: Re:PDF Rules and Charts](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/repdf-rules-and-charts-9/) - If it helps at all, I'm working on a Quick Reference Sheet that will include all the maneuvers, firing arcs, and the relevant tables. I'm hoping to have it finished before our next game in early January. I'll upload it to this site when it's complete.
- [Re: Re:PDF Rules and Charts](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/repdf-rules-and-charts-2/) - I was wondering as well. I know on the old DP site, many moons ago, there were some new charts and such that went with the additional aircraft. But that most of that disappeared. Has it been re-created, or something, and who's butt do I need to kiss to get it.
- [Re: Re:PDF Rules and Charts](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/repdf-rules-and-charts-10/) - I do have some scanned charts that Mike and others have given me. The thing I struggle with is that I am not sure if they are the latest official ones or not. I suppose I could just upload everything I have and just let people tell me - "No, this is old don't use
- [Re: Re:PDF Rules and Charts](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/repdf-rules-and-charts-8/) - If it's not too late, contact me directly and tell me exactly what you're looking for and what you have in mind. I can grant permission for the use of certain charts if I have a better idea of your plans. Pardon my long delay in responding. mrlee@execpc.com Mike Carr
- [Re: Re:PDF Rules and Charts](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/repdf-rules-and-charts-11/) - That sounds good. I will put together a list of what I have available and maybe you can just put a yes or no after each. I will try and have that up by Monday night, busy weekend on the home front. Thanks! Dan
- [Re: Re:PDF Rules and Charts](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/repdf-rules-and-charts-12/) - O.k., any help would be appriecated and accepted. Might be a good idea to put together a PDF demo al la what Mark Walker over at Lock N Load does. Demo could simply consist of: a)Condensed quick-play rules developed around demo scenario. b)A demo scenario. c)Counters related to demo. d) 8"x 11" grid sheet. e)Charts
- [Re: Re:PDF Rules and Charts](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/repdf-rules-and-charts-13/) - You should mark your calendar for the November MN mini-con! Details are on the website calendar.
- [Re: Re:Help~~Hanriot HD3](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rehelphanriot-hd3/) - I am going on memory here, but only the French fly it and it doesn't add 1, but I am sure Al has the scoop.
- [Re: Re:Help~~Hanriot HD3](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rehelphanriot-hd3-4/) - Thanks George:)
- [Re: Re:Help~~Hanriot HD3](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rehelphanriot-hd3-5/) - I am fairly certain I have a soft copy of the counter... do you want a blank, colored, or both?
- [Re: Re:Help~~Hanriot HD3](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rehelphanriot-hd3-2/) - No. French. Not certain, probably any two-seater mission. Yeah, but it's a hard-copy. I don't have an electronic version.
- [Re: Re:Help~~Hanriot HD3](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rehelphanriot-hd3-3/) - Wow Thanks Al! And Thanks Andrew I'd love a blank please!
- [Re: Re:Help~~Hanriot HD3](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rehelphanriot-hd3-6/) - I may have an electronic copy of an HD3. I can't remember for sure, but I think I may have put one into the new Vassal module. I'll check tonight.
- [Re: Re:Help~~Hanriot HD3](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rehelphanriot-hd3-7/) - I was able to pull it out of Kevan's vassal module. Here you go..
- [Re: Re:Help~~Hanriot HD3](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rehelphanriot-hd3-8/) - Here is a blank if you would still like it... [img size=530]http://dawnpatrol.org/images/fbfiles/images/hanriot_hd_3.JPG[/img]
- [Re: Re:Help~~Hanriot HD3](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rehelphanriot-hd3-9/) - I can't seem to track down the originals of the images that Dan posted. I know I found them as larger images. I'll keep an eye out.
- [Re: Re:Help~~Hanriot HD3](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rehelphanriot-hd3-10/) - Thanks guys appreaciate the help!
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-10/) - Hey Kevan, Thats a nice website. Surprised me to see one of my designs up there. Thanks I'm honored. I couldn't access the w5 file but the pic in your post has a single motor instead of the Bi motor setup. Thanks for the help though!!
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-12/) - Doh! Got thinking Alb W and forgot the request was for a 5. I'm sure I have a W5 around somewhere too. When I get home tonight, I'll save a copy to the folder that's linked above.
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-13/) - Pssst Kevan don't forget my w5 :side: Been looking but its not posted yet on your website.
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-14/) - Sorry about that. Had a con over the weekend and it slipped my mind. I took a look just now and I can't seem to find it. I was sure I had one, but I'm afraid I can't help you out.
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-15/) - Hope you had fun at the con and thanks for looking!
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture/) - I don't have a counter, but follow this link to a picture of an RNAS gun. http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/other-wwi-aviation/35337-rnas-aa-gun-tenedos-1915-a.html follow this link to a thread which includes photos of flaming onions. http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/other-wwi-aviation/34720-flaming-onions-5-shots.html
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-2/) - Hey Al, Is that just a regular AA or it one of those heavys that can hit 20,000 feet?
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-4/) - I have this one. I think it's copied off of Wings of War or some other game.
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-6/) - Hey thats not bad. Do you have bigger version I can play with... errrr I mean clean up and print out.
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-5/) - Joseki wrote: Quote: Hey Al, Is that just a regular AA or it one of those heavys that can hit 20,000 feet? I don't know. My guess would be that the guns would look more or less the same, the differences would be in size.
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-7/) - Hey guys I'm looking for an Albatross W5 any one have a counter or drawing I can make a counter from? Thanks Jim
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-8/) - I've uploaded a few that I have to a folder on mediafire. http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=9dda2d8a5a01110bd5a101cf914073b446bb4e207a2182f3 Some have been reduced to a 70 pixel by 70 pixel size that I used for making counters in the Vassal Dawn Patrol module. Others are the original, unreduced images.
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-9/) - I have the frame pic of the Alb W.4, is that close enough for you Jim? lmk!
- [Re: Re:Counter/Picture](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounterpicture-11/) - Hey Andrew, The w4 is a single motor plane and the w5 is a Bi-motor. Thanks though
- [Re: Re:Starting Ranks](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/restarting-ranks/) - I would think that is just observers...but will wait for official word from Al on this one...
- [Re: Re:Starting Ranks](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/restarting-ranks-3/) - I agree with Andrew on the ranks, if you look at the new chart that Mike did in the 'drome, it covers it, and if you need that Jim, just let me know George
- [Re: Re:Starting Ranks](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/restarting-ranks-2/) - Hmmm which drome? And it seems yes I could use it. Thanks George
- [Re: Re:Starting Ranks](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/restarting-ranks-4/) - I don't have it with me but I'm 99% certain it's observers only. I've got it now. For the British the only rank missing is Sergeant. It's listed as a starting rank for observers only (and 50% of them at that). The other rank lists are all correct with the updated 7th Ed chart I
- [Re: Re:Starting Ranks](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/restarting-ranks-5/) - It would help me enter my roster accurately if you'd also include some additional ranks I use as valid. They fall in two categories. The first is an additional enlisted rank on some of my observer starting rank charts. Warrant Officer for the RNAS, Sergeant for the Americans, Gefreiter and Flieger for the Germans, and
- [Re: Re:Starting Ranks](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/restarting-ranks-6/) - Thanks Al. I've been starting all my guys at seargent. I just constitutionalyy have to make things harder on myself. On the brighter side in the ten years or so I've been playing only two of my allied pilots have ever gotten a promotion.
- [Re: Re:House rules](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rehouse-rules/) - I took a look at the rules for VDP game 5. Are those the cyberJasta house rules or are they just for game 5? Thanks guys
- [Re: Re:House rules](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rehouse-rules-2/) - Those were just for game 5.
- [Re: Re:House rules](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rehouse-rules-3/) - Ahh kool. You guys have any regular house rules?
- [Re: Re:Pilot Rules](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/repilot-rules/) - I'm not sure that anyone's ever discussed a formal rule. Personally, I try to avoid overlap, as it's slightly awkward to be flying a pilot who has already died in another game. That being said, I've done it accidentally at least once that I can think of.
- [Re: Re:Pilot Rules](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/repilot-rules-2/) - yoodle wrote: Quote: At the game I ran last month at our gaming club, we happened to be flying Fokker DVII's, the same game I happen to be flying in the Play By E-mail game. Can I use the same pilot for both games? No. If you look back at old issues of the Aerodrome
- [Re: Re:Farman F5B](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/refarman-f5b/) - The stats on this website are from the html docs on the old website. I parsed those html documents and put all of the data into database tables. Mike has promised new stats sometime soon. Until then, if anyone has corrections to suggest, then I am willing to make updates to the data I have,
- [Re: Re:Farman F5B](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/refarman-f5b-2/) - Off the top of my head, I believe that's correct as is, for the Italian Front.
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol miniatures campaign pics and details!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-miniatures-campaign-pics-and-details-31/) - Dan that is fine, please email or PM your address.
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol miniatures campaign pics and details!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-miniatures-campaign-pics-and-details-32/) - Yeah c'mon Dan lets see those pics & the battle report! You both should start a 'squadron page' as well to post your reports / pics. What do you think of the idea of a small contest, or something of the sorts for the best new 'Squadron Page' on the site? Something to drum up
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol miniatures campaign pics and details!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-miniatures-campaign-pics-and-details-33/) - I actually was planning to start a squad forum/page but I am struggling with a logo idea. I am thinking about calling ourselves the Bartlett Raiders both based on the fact that most of us live in Bartlett IL and also to honor C.P.O. Bartlett, a pilot from a book I am currently reading -
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol miniatures campaign pics and details!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-miniatures-campaign-pics-and-details-12/) - This week featured a reverse of last week's scenario. A low level (starting altitude 50 feet) aerodrome attack by the Germans against a British squadron. It consisted of the German players taking an Albatros DVa, a Pfalz XII and a Fokker DV 7 on an airfield attack mission. The Allies were flying Sopwith Camels for
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol miniatures campaign pics and details!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-miniatures-campaign-pics-and-details-5/) - Great game tonight with plenty of highlights. Scenario: Lamb to the slaughter 2 british Se5As with 0/0 pilots on their first mission have been seperated from their squadron (one is very badly damaged). German Jasta 11 lurks a few thousand feet above them ready to pounce. 2 brave British Camel Pilots climb desperately to try
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol miniatures campaign pics and details!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-miniatures-campaign-pics-and-details-23/) - That looks like a great night! I love the chalk leader board. Any "Unconfirmed by Army, MEANS UNCONFIRMED". Are you carrying over damage or have repair/replacement Aircraft rules? Have you come up with a Squadron name for your group yet? Thanks again for the pics and reports.
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol miniatures campaign pics and details!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-miniatures-campaign-pics-and-details-6/) - Thaks Bolog, the pictures represetn 4 nights of play (in the campaign of August 1918). Our group has been getting 2 times a week for the last few weeks. We started recording serial numbers but we just have not been able to get around to carry over damage rules to specific planes like we wanted
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol miniatures campaign pics and details!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-miniatures-campaign-pics-and-details-7/) - Here are some of the balloons we are working on and a Zep...
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol miniatures campaign pics and details!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-miniatures-campaign-pics-and-details-8/) - Finished product
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol miniatures campaign pics and details!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-miniatures-campaign-pics-and-details-24/) - Those new balloons look outstanding!
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol miniatures campaign pics and details!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-miniatures-campaign-pics-and-details-9/) - Those do look nice. Would love a detailed account of how they were made. And Dan I thought I would be the only one to spend the weekend playing DP at the mini-Con and immediately go home and log in to the web site:P
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol miniatures campaign pics and details!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-miniatures-campaign-pics-and-details-25/) - will do Bolog! Action on August 5th 1918 : 2 German Fokker Dr1s and one Albatros DVa vs . 2 French SPAD 13s and 1 Spad 7 The battle lasted 8 turns and saw all planes receive damage (two extensively barely able to make it back home). Leutnant Oswald Wittowski of Jasta 11 (a 0/0
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol miniatures campaign pics and details!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-miniatures-campaign-pics-and-details-10/) - MK2, The balloons look outstanding! Job well done. Your group needs a squadron name & we should get you setup with a Squadron Page in the Squadrons section of the forum here so you can report your campaign results & post more great pics of the action! I think you should be able to setup
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol miniatures campaign pics and details!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-miniatures-campaign-pics-and-details-26/) - New update August 12 1918 has proven to be a very exciting day in the annals of dawn patrol. The ebb and flow of battle has rarely been put so on display. The scenario consisted of a damaged Albatros trying to make it back to friendly territory. German ace Helmut Steiner and Martin Von Scrub
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol miniatures campaign pics and details!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-miniatures-campaign-pics-and-details-27/) - Looks like a barn-burner of a mission! Some of the best DP games are the ones where the unexpected becomes reality right at the end... there is nothing like having a pilot seem doomed, only to make the fateful escape!! Thanks for posting the pics, they are great!
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol miniatures campaign pics and details!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-miniatures-campaign-pics-and-details-11/) - This week brought us stuff that have never been seen before in this campaign. The scenario was a low level aerodrome attack by British Se5a airplanes . The board used is the 8 x 4 hand painted recreation of the original dawn patrol board. It starts with 2 German planes that have managed to get
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol miniatures campaign pics and details!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-miniatures-campaign-pics-and-details-28/) - Looks like it was a fun battle! Those low missions sure can be some of the most exciting- and challenging!! I know our group has lost many a pilot to trees, buildings, hills etc... It sure makes you pay CLOSE attention. I think we may run the miniatures next week for our campaign, I will
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol miniatures campaign pics and details!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-miniatures-campaign-pics-and-details-29/) - If you are running miniatures and would like to have the original balloons I made free of charge (they are in the pics) send me an email or PM with address and I'll send them to you.
- [Re: Re:Dawn Patrol miniatures campaign pics and details!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redawn-patrol-miniatures-campaign-pics-and-details-30/) - I know that Andy (cubsfan) made some of his of own balloons, so if he does not accept your kind offer, I would definitely make use of them. We just completed a tank bombing miniature game a couple of weeks ago. I am late in getting the pics posted, but I used 1:144 scale ww1
- [Re: Re:Deflection shooting](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redeflection-shooting-17/) - all this mnakes sense to me
- [Re: Re:Deflection shooting](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redeflection-shooting-14/) - Not necessarily true.Albert Ball,and Billy Bishop almost always went with the bottom attack.(Although they were flying level and shooting up with their wing gun.)
- [Re: Re:Deflection shooting](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redeflection-shooting-19/) - Were those really bottom attacks as we see them in Dawn Patrol games, or would they be tail shots where the shooter is at a lower altitude but still in the "tailing cone"? I'll have to pull out some literature tonight.
- [Re: Re:Deflection shooting](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redeflection-shooting-20/) - fokkerdr1 wrote: Quote: Not necessarily true.Albert Ball,and Billy Bishop almost always went with the bottom attack.(Although they were flying level and shooting up with their wing gun.) It's my understanding that didn't happen quite as much as popular books would have us believe. Also, they did it with the single Lewis gun on the top
- [Re: Re:Deflection shooting](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redeflection-shooting-21/) - They were bottom attacks. They would fly level under the enemy aircraft, crank up the Lewis gun, and blast away.:side:
- [Re: Re:Deflection shooting](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redeflection-shooting-22/) - Yes, but as I said, it supposedly didn't happen all that often. Not often enough that it would warrant the top and bottom attacks that are the norm in DP. Also, Ball/Bishop needed to be flying in the same direction as their quarry for it to work. In DP ones facing in top and bottom
- [Re: Re:Deflection shooting](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redeflection-shooting-15/) - I am very much interested in what and how your house rules worked. I had a lightning flash in what this Dawn Patrol shouyld feel like and I think the game would have to be restructured thus turning into something else. I am going to be starting to mess with my own version of the
- [Re: Re:Deflection shooting](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redeflection-shooting-18/) - I also agree that the attention to stats for planes seem to be the thing but i don't get it when realistic it isn't. I do think that it could be more fun.
- [Re: Re:Deflection shooting](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redeflection-shooting-23/) - fokkerdr1 wrote: Quote: They were bottom attacks. They would fly level under the enemy aircraft, crank up the Lewis gun, and blast away.:side: What was escaping me when I wrote my earlier post was the angle that the Foster mount allowed the gun to be inclined. I found a reference that it was 80 degrees,
- [Re: Re:Deflection shooting](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redeflection-shooting-24/) - hexxer wrote: Quote: I am very much interested in what and how your house rules worked. I had a lightning flash in what this Dawn Patrol shouyld feel like and I think the game would have to be restructured thus turning into something else. I am going to be starting to mess with my own
- [Re: Re:Se5a Vickers and Lewis Gun firing question](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rese5a-vickers-and-lewis-gun-firing-question/) - Hello! The Se5 and 5a is able to fire both the Vickers and the Lewis on the same turn. It is one roll to hit and then 2 separate rolls for damage - one for each of the guns. -Monte
- [Re: Re:Se5a Vickers and Lewis Gun firing question](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rese5a-vickers-and-lewis-gun-firing-question-2/) - Correct, they both may fire, 1d6 to hit, separate jams, then for damage it is the single deck table 1d6 for the vickers and 1d6 single wing table for the lewis. You may NOT reload the Lewis & fire the vickers in the same turn though...
- [Re: Re:Rules question 12th mission pilot bonus](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rerules-question-12th-mission-pilot-bonus/) - It should read like this: Pilots ON their 3-12th missions (double ones, twos and threes hit pilot + all normal abilities) Pilots WITH their 12th mission logged get the experienced pilot additional bonuses. So a pilot that has logged 11 missions and is flying his 12th does not get the experienced pilot bonuses. A pilot
- [Re: Re:Rules question 12th mission pilot bonus](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rerules-question-12th-mission-pilot-bonus-2/) - My pilot got his 5th kill confirmed on Saturday but I flew the rest of the mission as I started. It just made sense to do it that way.
- [Re: Re:Rules question 12th mission pilot bonus](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rerules-question-12th-mission-pilot-bonus-3/) - Your ace/experienced bonuses for a mission are determined at the start of a mission and never change during the mission, no matter how many kills you get. You may shoot someone down on turn one, but a pilot doesn't get credit for a kill until he returns to the aerodrome, files his combat report, and
- [Re: Re:8th edition critical hit question](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/re8th-edition-critical-hit-question-2/) - Ok thanks John, I got it now.
- [Re: Re:8th edition critical hit question](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/re8th-edition-critical-hit-question/) - MK2 wrote: Quote: if I roll a 4 then a 5 on the D6 what happnes if it only says 4(1/3) and 4 (2/2) etc.? thanks Sorry if I am misunderstanding your question, but here goes my explanation. When you roll a crit you use 2d6 and take the total number rolled first ie. one
- [Re: Re:Deflection shooting](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redeflection-shooting/) - For the 20 years I have been playing, top & bottom attacks are most popular for the reasons you have stated. I think we tried an e-mail game once where we didnt use top & bottom as deflection, but we used tail shots as NON-deflection and they automatically went up a table... it was interesting...
- [Re: Re:Deflection shooting](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redeflection-shooting-5/) - I have to agree with cubsfanforlife, tailing can be very powerful when successful. I stink at tailing and therefore avoid it but have been chewed up by successive rounds of being tailed:S
- [Re: Re:Deflection shooting](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redeflection-shooting-7/) - I have been playing for about 24 years also ( on and off) and I never saw it as an issue before but I think I am going to institute a house rule where top and bottom suffer the same deflection minus as a side shot. It just makes perfect sense to me.
- [Re: Re:Deflection shooting](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redeflection-shooting-2/) - It sounds to me like NO ONE is paying any attention to the semi deflection rules on page19 when altitude differences are less than 150' a semi deflection exists and the attacker goes down a chart. I just rejoined the Society and was reading Jim Quinn's review of his win in the 2008 Master's Game
- [Re: Re:Deflection shooting](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redeflection-shooting-3/) - The semi-deflection shot has always been used. Going down one table, ie a side shot is a deflection shot. no change on the hit chart, ie a top or bottom attack, or the first tail attack is a semi deflection shot. Only head on's from 100' or less altitude difference, or tail attacks after a
- [Re: Re:Deflection shooting](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redeflection-shooting-8/) - when you say no change on the hit charge which do you mean? Going left one chart for damage but not the to "hit" chart. 1-5 to hit? I wish to apologize for the confusion but page 19 states all side shots are shifted one chart to the left.I think I have it clear now.
- [Re: Re:Deflection shooting](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redeflection-shooting-10/) - hexxer you are correct, the chart being referred to is the damage chart, so if you shift to the right or left you will be moving on the 'letter' column, from G to F or G to H etc. The role for whether you hit or not is always the same based on distance. a
- [Re: Re:Deflection shooting](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redeflection-shooting-9/) - I believe the confusion is the words Semi-deflection shot. The rules don't state that what they mean is that Semi-Deflection means its a normal shot and does not go up or down a table. It just defines what a semi-deflection shot is. Because the word deflection is in there it becomes easy to put it
- [Re: Re:Deflection shooting](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redeflection-shooting-11/) - One more question concerning semi-deflection as written on page 19, column right, first paragraph where it states all top and bottom attacks, all first-turn tail attacks and all head-on attacks where the altitude difference between attacking planes is more than 100 feet are treated as normal. With this being said where do I get the
- [Re: Re:Deflection shooting](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redeflection-shooting-4/) - All first turn tailing attacks are semi-deflection shots, so are treated as normal on the damage chart.
- [Re: Re:Deflection shooting](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redeflection-shooting-12/) - okay then by george i've got it after all these past 30 years. oh my i feel so enlightened now. thanks much. what a changed game! oh my!
- [Re: Re:Deflection shooting](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redeflection-shooting-6/) - cubsfan4life wrote: Quote: I think we tried an e-mail game once where we didnt use top & bottom as deflection, but we used tail shots as NON-deflection and they automatically went up a table... it was interesting... That was the e-game where I used some of my experimental house rules. Maybe this sounds crazy, but
- [Re: Re:Deflection shooting](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redeflection-shooting-13/) - I enjoyed that game. I've always thought there should be deflection to the top and bottom attacks.
- [Re: Re:Deflection shooting](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redeflection-shooting-16/) - I've always thought it amusing that the DP powers-that-be exhaust so much time trying to make the plane statistics and other aspects more accurate and yet many turns end up with planes piled on top of each other at 50' increments because top and bottom shots are the best way to go - especially if
- [Re: Re:Zeppelin rules?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rezeppelin-rules/) - Randy Gaulke wrote them up so he could run a zeppelin event as a warm-up game for a team tournament in the early 90's. They were published in an Aerodrome, but I don't have it with me or remember the number.
- [Re: Re:Zeppelin rules?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rezeppelin-rules-3/) - Jim J. submitted the Zeppelin rules to me for posting to the downloads area. There appears to be 1 page missing, so once I hear from Jim, I will finally post it.
- [Re: Re:Zeppelin rules?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rezeppelin-rules-4/) - any chance of just letting us know what the rules are? I have a zeppelin model and really wanted ot use it for the next game. thanks in either case
- [Re: Re:Zeppelin rules?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rezeppelin-rules-5/) - Jim sent me the missing page over the weekend - I was watching my kids over a 4-day weekend while my wife was on a trip in California (and i just got back from o'hare with her) so I got nothing done this weekend. I will make sure the pdf is posted by tomorrow night.
- [Re: Re:Zeppelin rules?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rezeppelin-rules-6/) - The Zeppelin Rules pdf has been compiled and posted. FITS Members can find it here.. http://dawnpatrol.org/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=37&func=fileinfo&id=32
- [Re: Re:Zeppelin rules?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rezeppelin-rules-7/) - Very cool, thank you!
- [Re: Re:Zeppelin rules?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rezeppelin-rules-2/) - We finally got to play a Zepplin Mission down here. I would be very interested in how your mission works out. Inquiring minds want to know.
- [Re: Re:Clouds](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reclouds/) - The cloud rules are actually meant to be rather easy and simple, with flat thick banks that occupy uniform altitude levels instead of fluffy individual floating ones (which would be fun but impractical in a game situation). It is a bit of a pain to fly above and below clouds at times, but isn't too
- [Re: Re:Would this work? How open are you to this?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewould-this-work-how-open-are-you-to-this-18/) - hexxer wrote: Quote: OK so here's my dilemma. If as a plane dives towards its target or climbs towards its target doesn't the target have to be led (deflection shooting)? Wouldn't this momentum bring the aircraft into a dangerous situation of collision because the targeting aircraft would be pulled right on in. Game mechanic/ It
- [Re: Re:Would this work? How open are you to this?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewould-this-work-how-open-are-you-to-this-20/) - Quote: Ok we are talking freeze frame here. Its kind of how you view the game. if you are viewing each instant of time as a movie frame then in each frozen instant of time your collision scenario becomes alot more likely. I will expound on that. Freeze frame version. I am diving on you
- [Re: Re:Would this work? How open are you to this?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewould-this-work-how-open-are-you-to-this-21/) - Hey Bill, Here is the freeze frame article from the Indy site Indy Squadron Dispatch Volume 18, Number 18 November 29, 2006 The Death of Freeze Frame Gaming An Overdue Obituary for an Idea That Didn't Work by Stephen Skinner Over the past few years Dawn Patrol has become infected with a bizarre new philosophy
- [Re: Re:Would this work? How open are you to this?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewould-this-work-how-open-are-you-to-this-22/) - Quote: The rule book, however, clearly states that the firing phase represents all shooting that would have taken place during the twenty-second period that each game turn represents. Until that fundamental premise is removed from the game, we must address the issue in a manner that is logically consistent with twenty-second-per-turn movement. Exactly where is
- [Re: Re:Would this work? How open are you to this?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewould-this-work-how-open-are-you-to-this-23/) - hexxer wrote: Quote: Quote: The rule book, however, clearly states that the firing phase represents all shooting that would have taken place during the twenty-second period that each game turn represents. Until that fundamental premise is removed from the game, we must address the issue in a manner that is logically consistent with twenty-second-per-turn movement.
- [Re: Re:Would this work? How open are you to this?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewould-this-work-how-open-are-you-to-this-25/) - Quote: Hey Bill, (grins) One of my major arguments is playability vs. reality. If it was just a game it would not garner such a dedicated throng. If it was just a recreation only wwi aviation enthusiasts would even know of it. I understand you would like to juice the game up a bit. But
- [Re: Re:Would this work? How open are you to this?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewould-this-work-how-open-are-you-to-this-26/) - If he is pointing up/down to shoot doesn't he stay that way?
- [Re: Re:Would this work? How open are you to this?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewould-this-work-how-open-are-you-to-this-27/) - Quote: If he is pointing up/down to shoot doesn't he stay that way? No as the rules state at the end of the turn all go to level facing. After dice are rolled for order of the next turn attitude maybe changed for a short burst at a target above,(a bottom shot) below(a top shot)
- [Re: Re:Would this work? How open are you to this?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewould-this-work-how-open-are-you-to-this-28/) - Hey Bill, You know I remember reading that and thinking that was a typo. And let me tell you why. While it is nice that there are not headons if everyone goes level tailing becomes a problem. For instance; You fly in to sandwich my wingmate and go noseup, I follow you also going nose
- [Re: Re:Would this work? How open are you to this?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewould-this-work-how-open-are-you-to-this-29/) - Quote: For instance; You fly in to sandwich my wingmate and go noseup, I follow you also going nose up to take the 100' tail shot. At the end of the turn if we all go level which removes me from the tailing cone. Do I have that right? Page 11 Tailing says a nose
- [Re: Re:Would this work? How open are you to this?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewould-this-work-how-open-are-you-to-this-30/) - Normally going nose up to tail does leave you in a good tailing position. But the house of yours would take us level at the end of the turn. That would not leave me in a good tailing position. Oui?
- [Re: Re:Would this work? How open are you to this?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewould-this-work-how-open-are-you-to-this-15/) - hexxer wrote: Quote: What if the mercy of the dice always put you first and the sandwich continues? What if your pilot is an ace and still rolls rotten? Where are these things ironed out in a "game" that seems so unchangeable in parts because "that's just the way it is" and can't gravitate toward
- [Re: Re:Would this work? How open are you to this?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewould-this-work-how-open-are-you-to-this-16/) - Quote: Ok during a head-on shot it is assumed that the pilots will break off rather than colliding. Maneuver cards are picked because as the pilots break off they might pick a manuever that mirrors thier opponant thus causing a collision. During a top or bottom shot your target is flying away from you as
- [Re: Re:Would this work? How open are you to this?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewould-this-work-how-open-are-you-to-this-17/) - Realistically, yes it's possible. But it would add an additional hazard to pilot survival in a game that's already hazardous enough for even the most bloodthirsty.
- [Re: Re:Would this work? How open are you to this?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewould-this-work-how-open-are-you-to-this-19/) - & thats why they are 50-100ft shots, not 0ft Since you are not closing directly at eachother, that allows you the split second to break off after firing, where in the head on, the rate of closing is much faster, hence the collision chance. And again, the point of the game is not to re-create
- [Re: Re:Would this work? How open are you to this?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewould-this-work-how-open-are-you-to-this-32/) - Hey Bill, All told I'm still not very open to the rule. I can appreaciate your point of view concerning repeated lousy initiative rolls, but I don't think this makes the game more playable. Have fun~~Jim
- [Re: Re:Would this work? How open are you to this?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewould-this-work-how-open-are-you-to-this-33/) - I'm not sure what is meant by playable as you use it. It seems to me that it would something added to the game that makes it more enjoyable as well adding a new consideration of strategy. I just began facilitating an email DP game. We will be using the following as written to see
- [Re: Re:Would this work? How open are you to this?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewould-this-work-how-open-are-you-to-this-24/) - hexxer wrote: Quote: Quote: The rule book, however, clearly states that the firing phase represents all shooting that would have taken place during the twenty-second period that each game turn represents. Until that fundamental premise is removed from the game, we must address the issue in a manner that is logically consistent with twenty-second-per-turn movement.
- [Re: Re:Would this work? How open are you to this?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewould-this-work-how-open-are-you-to-this-31/) - Quote: Normally going nose up to tail does leave you in a good tailing position. But the house of yours would take us level at the end of the turn. That would not leave me in a good tailing position. Oui? This would be NO. You would still be in a good tailing position and
- [Re: Re:1982e Range/FP Effectiveness for flex guns?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/re1982e-rangefp-effectiveness-for-flex-guns/) - Hi Steve. For observer gun(s), use the deck gun table and the range of attack and shift down one table for effect (ie from K to J for 2 guns or H to G for single gun) Dan
- [Re: Re:1982e Range/FP Effectiveness for flex guns?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/re1982e-rangefp-effectiveness-for-flex-guns-2/) - Thanks! I've got three basically new players trying the game out Saturday night. I'm running the intro scenario with "programmed" DH4s (I'm using five) against three German fighters. It should be a good way to "get their feet wet". The flex gun info will be a huge help.
- [Re: Re:Looking for the perfect hit/log sheet](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/relooking-for-the-perfect-hitlog-sheet/) - Ummm... Hit sheets as in Log sheets? Alot of them are posted on the Minnesota sight. I'll see if I can post a couple of mine.
- [Re: Re:Looking for the perfect hit/log sheet](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/relooking-for-the-perfect-hitlog-sheet-2/) - I have many of them posted here if you are interested- http://www.geocities.com/cubsfan4life1908/Mission_Logs.html
- [Re: Re:SPECIAL MANEUVERS LIMITATION PAGE 4](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/respecial-maneuvers-limitation-page-4/) - Correct!
- [Re: Re:Game with odd numbered players](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regame-with-odd-numbered-players/) - I tend to believe that odd numbers make it more interesting. Four player games tend towards one side retreating after either the loss of an aircraft or severe damage. With the addition of another player the games run longer as the loss of a player either evens the fight or makes it a running fight
- [Re: Re:Game with odd numbered players](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regame-with-odd-numbered-players-2/) - Experience of the players involved is also a huge factor. 2 vs 3 could turn out to be unfair for the team with 3 if you have all veteran players on the smaller side!
- [Re: Re:Game with odd numbered players](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regame-with-odd-numbered-players-3/) - In the late 90s, Jim Pink brought his 8 yr old son JJ to the Spring Mini Con. We had 5 players and JJ and I ended up as wingmen. Jim was worried that I wouldn't have fun flying with an 8 yr old and suggested a change. I had seen JJ fly earlier at
- [Re: Re:Ground Obstacles](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reground-obstacles/) - Yes, directly under the balloon are the cables holding the balloon up, this would be an automatic crash / mid-air collision!
- [Re: Re:Ground Obstacles](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reground-obstacles-2/) - So there is more than one cable? With that roll for a Krupp-Daimler wich truck it seemed to be one cable? In pictures I see a bunch of short ropes for guys to grab when landing but only one heavy rope when it is in the air?
- [Re: Re:Landing on a AA](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/relanding-on-a-aa/) - So no one has an opinion?
- [Re: Re:Landing on a AA](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/relanding-on-a-aa-2/) - I believe you are correct. Although I only remember this happening in a game I was in way back in the 90's playing at Mark H.'s place. I believe there was a percentage chance to collide that I rolled. It was probably the chart you are talking about.
- [Re: Re:rules version](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rerules-version/) - Ok I'm not the one to ask because I don't know. We currently use the 7th addition rulebook which was published in 1982. Can't answer for earlier versions.
- [Re: Re:rules version](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rerules-version-2/) - I'd recommend the 7th Edition rule book (The one where TSR changed the name of the game to Dawn Patrol). If you have one of the earlier Fight in the Skies books you can play with it, the changes were all in details, not in the substance of how the game works. Really the only
- [Re: Re:rules version](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rerules-version-3/) - Also check the Introduction to Dawn Patrol by Mike Carr, linked on the home page of this site, for dates.
- [Re: Re:Plane stats](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/replane-stats-2/) - How about it Al?
- [Re: Re:Plane stats](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/replane-stats-3/) - I seem to have missed this. I'll get back to you after a look at my stuff.
- [Re: Re:Plane stats](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/replane-stats-4/) - Thanks Al!!! If you get a chance we need stats for the SP3 and SP4 as well.
- [Re: Re:Plane stats](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/replane-stats-5/) - SVA 10 220 hp SPA July 18 – end Altitude (ft) Top Turn Climb (ft) 0-4950 130 80 350 5000-9950 120 70 300 10000-14950 120 60 250 15000+ 110 60 150 Dive: 1500 Ceiling: 19,000 1 FF Vickers & 1 RFlex Lewis Two-Seat Bomb Recon * Obs-Salvo-6x25KG (D) Bombs E FF RF T LW CW
- [Re: Re:Plane stats](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/replane-stats-7/) - Outstanding!! Thanks AL!!
- [Re: Re:Plane stats](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/replane-stats-6/) - S-P 3 300 hp Fiat Mar 17 – end Altitude (ft) Top Turn Climb (ft) 0-4950 90 70 200 5000-9950 80 60 150 10000-14950 70 60 100 15000+ 60 50 50 Dive: 1200 Ceiling: 16,400 1 F Flex Revelli & 1 R Flex Revelli Two-Seat Pusher Recon * Obs-Salvo-1x50KG (C) or 2x25KG (D) Bombs. Minimum
- [Re: Re:Plane stats](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/replane-stats-8/) - DUDE YOU ROCK!! Thanks again!!!
- [Re: Re:Plane stats](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/replane-stats-9/) - Hey Al, Got a quick question. The SP-4, the bi-motor. That was also a pusher? I thought I'd seen a couple of pics where the engines were mounted tractor style. May just be me I can't really tell if the pics are miscaptioned or not. Thanks for the clarification.
- [Re: Re:Plane stats](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/replane-stats-10/) - Joseki wrote: Quote: Hey Al, Got a quick question. The SP-4, the bi-motor. That was also a pusher? I thought I'd seen a couple of pics where the engines were mounted tractor style. May just be me I can't really tell if the pics are miscaptioned or not. Thanks for the clarification. I don't know.
- [Re: Re:Plane stats](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/replane-stats-11/) - It was bothering me all day so I started looking through modeling sites. Found a modeling website with an sp 4 and it is a tractor plane. Added the pic.
- [Re: Re:Plane stats](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/replane-stats/) - bump
- [Re: Re:New Edition?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/renew-edition/) - I think we have all been avoiding a reply to this. Mr Carr has ben promising us a New edition since last century. It is currently my understanding they are redoing the rollup charts due to a new book on French aircraft. Said book has revised the historically accurate information on the French Airforce. So
- [Re: Re:New Edition?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/renew-edition-2/) - The reason I ask, I know that a few versions ago, there were some charts and such for older aircraft, as well as hit charts for pusher types, that apparently got lost when that version of the site went down. I thought I'd copied that, way back then, but I've not been able to find
- [Re: Re:New Edition?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/renew-edition-3/) - I believe those hit charts can be found in the download section. Not sure what you mean about charts for older aircraft.
- [Re: Re:New Edition?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/renew-edition-4/) - Older as in DH2, FE2, and so on. The "early" aircraft that weren't originally covered in the game. And if those charts are in the download area, someone is hiding them.
- [Re: Re:New Edition?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/renew-edition-5/) - Al Lowe wrote: Quote: Older as in DH2, FE2, and so on. The "early" aircraft that weren't originally covered in the game. And if those charts are in the download area, someone is hiding them. Hmmm...only see the Tri-motor sheet I'll submit a Pusher sheet to Dan.
- [Re: Charts and Stats](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/charts-and-stats-12/) - If you are scanning, I could use 4, 14, 18 and 20 (Belgian) Thanks George
- [Re: Charts and Stats](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/charts-and-stats-16/) - Graham the offensive chart I was talking about is actually in the random aircraft charts, not a separate thing. Thanks so much, I too would like to see a V.8.0 come out soon
- [Re: Re:Tailing and the Circle maneuver](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/retailing-and-the-circle-maneuver/) - I'd say, if you have the circle card, you have anticipated your opponent 's move and you may go right if you want, without being reversed.I believe you may delay a circle. Where is a rules lawyer when you need him? Oh, that,s right. They usually show up during a game...
- [Re: Re:Tailing and the Circle maneuver](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/retailing-and-the-circle-maneuver-3/) - You know, I answered the question about the loop the other day, and we have always played that if you do a loop, the same loop must be performed immediately or you are reversed... but for circles we have allowed the delay by one, even though it is a reversal as well... now I am
- [Re: Re:Tailing and the Circle maneuver](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/retailing-and-the-circle-maneuver-4/) - Noski, the reversal rule says that you must perform the maneuver or be reversed. You might anticipate the move and choose not to perform it, but technically you would be reversed voluntarily in that case. Andy, yes thanks for answering the question about the loop during the email game. You might have noticed that I
- [Re: Re:Tailing and the Circle maneuver](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/retailing-and-the-circle-maneuver-5/) - Technicaly, I am doing the manuever.If you stall and then face left, I am not reversed if I face right at the end of my stall.There is no mention of direction in the rule, just the manuever.
- [Re: Re:Tailing and the Circle maneuver](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/retailing-and-the-circle-maneuver-2/) - Nerf bullets wrote: Quote: So my first question would be: If the target performs a Circle and chooses to Circle Left, is the attacker considered reversed if he chooses to perform a Circle Right? In other words my concern is you are choosing the maneuver but not copying him EXACTLY, so what is the ruling?
- [Re: Re:Tailing and the Circle maneuver](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/retailing-and-the-circle-maneuver-6/) - Figured I would write down here what I found out from Mike last weekend. It was the first thing I talked about as soon as I got to his house, lol. 1) The circle maneuver CAN be delayed by one. The wording in part b) under reversals does contradict part h) under maneuver cards (both
- [Re: S.E.5a High Compression Upgrade](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/s-e-5a-high-compression-upgrade-7/) - Kevan I like the idea of up a table diving bonus! This would also add to the game play of the SE, and encourage people to use a dive and zoom attack in the game... maybe something along the lines of diving at least 300 feet and fly straight in the last 3 squares approaching
- [Re: S.E.5a High Compression Upgrade](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/s-e-5a-high-compression-upgrade-8/) - That Douglas quote is one of the ones I was thinking of. It was driving me nuts trying to remember who said it and where I'd read it. Those draft rules are along the lines of what I was thinking. They simultaneously encourage SE pilots to try to repeatedly engage and disengage in the "boom
- [Re: S.E.5a High Compression Upgrade](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/s-e-5a-high-compression-upgrade/) - I have had the benefit of reading Andy's paper on the SE5a (even though posting files doesn't seem to work here) and I think it was very well done. Great job, Andy. It was an interesting read, for sure. I'm normally opposed to adding a bunch of new aircraft. I think it dilutes pilot progression
- [Re: S.E.5a High Compression Upgrade](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/s-e-5a-high-compression-upgrade-2/) - You're right Graham, DP is a dogfighting game. If you ask most anyone flying British, if you had an outright choice on which a/c you could fly, most would pick the Camel 150. So I have always been a little confused when I read about British orders of battle for their SQDs. Camels were put
- [Re: S.E.5a High Compression Upgrade](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/s-e-5a-high-compression-upgrade-3/) - Dan, I've read accounts from several SE5a pilots who thought that the SE5a was superior to the Camel. Very few SE5a pilots would have traded for a Camel, regardless of the engine in the Camel. Also, while Dawn Patrol is a dogfighting game, the real air war wasn't! The boom and zoom tactics of the
- [Re: S.E.5a High Compression Upgrade](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/s-e-5a-high-compression-upgrade-4/) - Another major factor in the popularity of the SE5a was its stability, which contrasts with the instability of the highly maneuverable Camel. I've read accounts from pilots who claimed they were actually even more stable in a dive, making their gunfire even more accurate when using "boom and zoom" tactics. Makes me wonder if a
- [Re: S.E.5a High Compression Upgrade](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/s-e-5a-high-compression-upgrade-5/) - Some interesting thoughts from pilots that actually flew both the Camel and the SE- Fred Tully, a test pilot and combat instructor for the RAF during 1918 (he was always terribly disappointed that his repeated requests for front line service were denied). Fred flew everything with wings... even captured DVII's and Pfalz's. Fred preferred the
- [Re: S.E.5a High Compression Upgrade](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/s-e-5a-high-compression-upgrade-6/) - Some other interesting info regarding the Lewis gun debate... The Lewis had higher rate of fire and a smaller "beaten zone" (cone of fire), making it more accurate on a shaking, vibrating airplane The Vickers had a slower rate of fire to begin with, and the addition of the interrupter gear slowed this still further,
- [Re: Philosophy Questions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/philosophy-questions/) - Hey Kirk, I will take a stab at your questions. I believe we do dot lose movement for climbing for simple playability. It keeps the game simple. I can say that we (the AZ club) tried that but it really just added unneccessary bookeeping. On your second question I can only offer empirical evidence. Some
- [Re: Re:Stuck in a Circle](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/restuck-in-a-circle/) - It looks like the tail critical hits 2 and 12 specifically say circle left or right, implying that breaking out of it into a turn is not possible (at least not until the end of the turn). I would rather do the Circle maneuver in that case anyway. Its a reversal, and even if your
- [Re: Re:Stuck in a Circle](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/restuck-in-a-circle-2/) - You can pull a turn right card if you're stuck in a right circle. However, when it comes time to complete your move, your facing and remaining movement must be consistent with being stuck in the circle, or you fall out of control.
- [Re: Re:Stuck in a Circle](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/restuck-in-a-circle-3/) - Thanks for the Kudos Mark! It was a lot of fun with that crew. Winning is just icing on the cake. Yes, we play that you can pull a turn instead of the circle, however you have to complete the circle movement itself. It may even state in the rule book somewhere that a circle
- [Re: Charts and Stats](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/charts-and-stats/) - I'll make sure that you get copies of the current ones at the minicon
- [Re: Charts and Stats](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/charts-and-stats-5/) - Just a polite reminder to bring those charts for me. I'll see you tomorrow, or Friday. Thanks!! Graham
- [Re: Charts and Stats](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/charts-and-stats-2/) - I would like to find those charts. Are they available anywhere on the web site? Thanks Hops
- [Re: Charts and Stats](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/charts-and-stats-7/) - I couldn't find them anywhere online either. I did get them "offline". If you post a name and email address I can email you what I have electronically. Graham
- [Re: Charts and Stats](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/charts-and-stats-8/) - Thanks Jay Mack hopsnbaer@yahoo.com
- [Re: Charts and Stats](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/charts-and-stats-6/) - Graham, if you have an electronic copy of my hard-copy charts I wouldn't mind having them e-mailed to me too. Thanks. TheAlien01 at Yahoo.com
- [Re: Charts and Stats](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/charts-and-stats-9/) - I think they are same content, but are a somewhat different format. I will send along anyway. Graham
- [Re: Charts and Stats](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/charts-and-stats-3/) - I need this information too. Not having all the additional plane stats and mission aircraft determination charts is inconvenient when it comes to the online sessions. I had been relying on the Aircraft Stats Service on this site, but it apparently is not complete. For example it doesn't list the Albatros DVa high compression model.
- [Re: Charts and Stats](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/charts-and-stats-4/) - Hey guys! I just wanted to see if there was a way I could get a "Checklist" of charts, books, etc. It seems every time I fly a mission there is a chart or something i'm missing and instead of just downloading/emailing everything, maybe I could get filled in the missing stuff. Thanks! TJ
- [Re: Charts and Stats](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/charts-and-stats-10/) - TJ, I can't swear it is complete, but here's what's in my binder ... 1) Dawn Patrol rulebook - 1982 2) Updated critical hit charts - 3rd draft, 1996 3) Alternative Collision Chart - 1991, from Aerodrome #98 4) An old, tattered, hand-written and typed sheet with pusher hit location tables and fields of fire
- [Re: Charts and Stats](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/charts-and-stats-11/) - Graham you are the MAN! I apparently don't have anything that is North Sea, but I do have a handful of these. Is there any way you could email your copies or show me where to find: 4) An old, tattered, hand-written and typed sheet with pusher hit location tables and fields of fire --
- [Re: Charts and Stats](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/charts-and-stats-13/) - I'm happy to share whatever I have, but I'm not clear on what you want me to send you. Just make reference to my post and tell me what numbers you want? Graham
- [Re: Charts and Stats](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/charts-and-stats-14/) - The things I deleted from your list are what I HAVE. The list I left on the screen are what I don't have or have a different version. Does that make sense? Any way you could get them to me works; links, email, or any other way. Thanks again! TJ
- [Re: Charts and Stats](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/charts-and-stats-15/) - Ok, I understand now. I have sent what I have electronically. Check your email. I will need to scan the rest. Graham
- [Re: Observers](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/observers/) - Observers fire on the single deck table, but down one table... so in essence, they fire on the old Version 7 charts single deck table. Side shots are then down a total of 2 tables
- [Re: Observers](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/observers-2/) - Is this right about observers going down 2 tables for a side shot? The reason observers go down a table is because they always have a deflection shot. The version 7 rules say nothing about a double deflection shot.
- [Re: Observers](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/observers-7/) - I agree with Andy. Don't have rules handy, but I believe they say down one for observer and down one for side shots, and not say that only one of the penalties applies.
- [Re: Observers](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/observers-3/) - Here's the text: Deflection Shooting In order to hit a moving plane from the side, top, or bottom, a pilot had to shoot ahead of the target. This type of shooting was called deflection shooting. Deflection shooting was more difficult than shooting at a target that was straight ahead, so adjustments should be made for
- [Re: Observers](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/observers-8/) - Thanks for posting that. The text certainly seems to support your reading of the rules, rather than a double shift for observers shooting side attacks. That said, this text was prior to the table being moved up for single deck guns. Maybe that matters somehow? Seems like we need some additional input on this one...
- [Re: Observers](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/observers-4/) - The wording is ambiguous, however I lean towards applying the deflection penalty once. The reason I bumped this thread is that having played last night in a game with observers, I reread the rules and then looked in the forum here for anything that might have changed. I was surprised to see the two column
- [Re: Observers](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/observers-12/) - All I know is times I have played with Mike & Al, observers go down 2tables for side shots. Observers are always single deck down a table because there is not a specific table setup in between for them (agreed should be addressed in v8!) then they get side shot deflection penalty as well, same
- [Re: Observers](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/observers-5/) - That's the way it's done then. Thanks
- [Re: Observers](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/observers-9/) - Observers are on the single (or twin as applicable) deck gun table. They are down one table for being an observer firing (unless they're experienced) and down another table for a side attack. What really frosts me is that the "not down a table" is the best it gets for observers. I've got a 38
- [Re: Observers](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/observers-10/) - You notice it says 'all side attacks' and 'all (including side attacks ) attacks' by the observer. There is nothing that says the observer goes bad 2 table on a side attack. If that is the intent ,then the rule needs to be rewritten. D
- [Re: Observers](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/observers-13/) - I agree that it is ambiguous, at best. I think a plain English reading would lead you to one shift, not two, for an observer side attack. Given that the convention appears to be a double shift, the wording should change.
- [Re: Observers](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/observers-6/) - I think we're going to gently remind people about the down 2 tables implications of the rule when we're in 2 seater scenarios. I'm thinking most observer shots are side shots. I've been doing it wrong since my return.
- [Re: Observers](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/observers-14/) - An Alb C 7 and an RE 8 are at 500ft flying side by side at 100mph. The observers are manning their guns and blazing away at each other. As everything is relative, there is no physical reason those two gunners should go down an additional table.. A shot by an observer at the side
- [Re: Observers](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/observers-11/) - I approached MC with the same question a few years ago. He responded that the shift down for all observers was intended to reflect the constant movement of the airplane and the havoc that would cause a passenger in aiming a gun (even though, as quoted above, the 7th edition rules say otherwise). He also
- [Re: Is Dawn Patrol your favorite WWI air-combat game?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/is-dawn-patrol-your-favorite-wwi-air-combat-game-8/) - I think Al is likely right on the dive point. -1 move for each 100' climbed likely just cuts the squares moved, not the amount climbed. I believe I recall discussing this with someone who tested it, and that was the conclusion. Would still be an interesting test, though. Maybe there is another way to
- [Re: Is Dawn Patrol your favorite WWI air-combat game?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/is-dawn-patrol-your-favorite-wwi-air-combat-game-9/) - I've seen the Wings of War / Glory, and I found it lacking for many of the same reasons, and I found the maneuver deck fiddly. I think a single key could work much simpler, and leave the Dawn Patrol rules relatively unchanged. I share your opinion on how altitude is traded for speed (and
- [Re: Is Dawn Patrol your favorite WWI air-combat game?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/is-dawn-patrol-your-favorite-wwi-air-combat-game/) - First of all, Dawn Patrol absolutely distinguishes based on maneuverability. That's what each aircraft's turn speed represents. The top speed is how fast each aircraft can fly straight and level, at a particular altitude. Its true ability to go fast. So what is its turn speed? Really a representation of how maneuverable the aircraft is.
- [Re: Is Dawn Patrol your favorite WWI air-combat game?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/is-dawn-patrol-your-favorite-wwi-air-combat-game-2/) - Basically, I agree with everything Graham said. I'm just replying so you'll know more than one of us has read your post. The excitement of having your pilot and/or observer progress to the higher levels of acehood, especially when he reaches 36missions/15kills or 48/20 or !!60/25!! is something. You have to understand that each mission
- [Re: Is Dawn Patrol your favorite WWI air-combat game?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/is-dawn-patrol-your-favorite-wwi-air-combat-game-3/) - I'll add my two cents as well - the game tries to create as historically accurate as possible simulation without comprimising game play. I think many of us who play the game consider ourselves WW1 Aviation historians- you should see the libraries some of these guys have!! So historical accuracy is important. Each aircaft has
- [Re: Is Dawn Patrol your favorite WWI air-combat game?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/is-dawn-patrol-your-favorite-wwi-air-combat-game-4/) - Short answer: Dawn Patrol is my favorite WW1 air-combat game. That being said, I can sympathize with your husband, Eris. Dawn Patrol excels as a game that allows for a relatively quick and simple simulation of WW1 air combat, but there are a few aspects of the rules that I personally would love to see
- [Re: Is Dawn Patrol your favorite WWI air-combat game?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/is-dawn-patrol-your-favorite-wwi-air-combat-game-5/) - Now you're talking! I think your post is a great intro to a deeper discussion. What would you like to change about the areas you identified? How would you change them? For climbing dogfights, would it work to just subtract one move for every 100' climbed, ie the reciprocal of the dive bonus? Why or
- [Re: Is Dawn Patrol your favorite WWI air-combat game?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/is-dawn-patrol-your-favorite-wwi-air-combat-game-6/) - Regarding your climb suggestion, I don't think so. People would still climb, they just wouldn't move as far. Something more like losing 50' of altitude for every square you turn in would be more on target. The first problem is you have to count turns. The second is you have to figure out what to
- [Re: Is Dawn Patrol your favorite WWI air-combat game?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/is-dawn-patrol-your-favorite-wwi-air-combat-game-7/) - Sure, I'll bite, since I have some time to kill. I haven't playtested any of these ideas in recent years, so I'll leave it to the community to applaud / deride as they see fit. Climbing / Diving: Probably the simplest solution is subtracting squares in an inverse of the current dive rules. Personally, I
- [Re: Re:wounded observers](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewounded-observers/) - Hi Dan, I believe we play it that way too. I know in the big game Mike was unconscious in the back seat and he did not say anything. So I never knew if I should continue to pursue them for fear of being shot down myself. Their plan was smoking and they were escaping
- [Re: Re:wounded observers](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewounded-observers-3/) - As I understood, you couldn't ask, the only way you would know was if he shot back.
- [Re: Re:wounded observers](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewounded-observers-2/) - It would make sense to me that the targeted plane would not have to disclose that information. The observer would not affect whether the plane can still fly or not. You do not announce your damage on any other part of the plane, and this would be no different. I agree with George. If you
- [Re: Re:wounded observers](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewounded-observers-4/) - But you DO have to announce smoke and fire. There are plenty of reports by attacking pilots that state they saw the observer fall into his cockpit or that the observer was no longer manning his gun. If they could tell by looking, why can't we do the same?
- [Re: Re:wounded observers](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewounded-observers-5/) - Dan, You make a very valid point. I would hope that someone in charge (the powers that be) would be able to address this and advise. I agree with you. I guess it must fall under the same precedent as the pilot. You do not announce the status of the pilot if he is shot.
- [Re: Re:wounded observers](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rewounded-observers-6/) - My guess would be that in the early days two seaters flew so rarely that the question never came up.
- [Re: Chicago Gameday 34 at Games Plus Mount Prospect](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/chicago-gameday-34-at-games-plus-mount-prospect/) - Mark, Good for you! Good luck and I hope a lot of players turn out to take part. It should be a very fun day for you! ~Scott
- [Re: Chicago Gameday 34 at Games Plus Mount Prospect](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/chicago-gameday-34-at-games-plus-mount-prospect-2/) - A summary of the event as follows: Six players in attendance: Joe Kaminski, Jim and Eric McIntyre, Mark Stevenson, Jim Thompson, and Dan Wojcik. Scenario 1: A November '18 fighter scenario, Spad 13's vs a mixed bag of big block D 7's and Dr I's. Scenario 2: A randomly rolled encounter, wound up a group
- [Re: Re:Aerodrome submissions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reaerodrome-submissions-2/) - Anyone have a pic or two from the wingman tourney?
- [Re: Re:Aerodrome submissions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reaerodrome-submissions-5/) - Helllllllooooooooooooo is there anybody out there???????????????
- [Re: Re:Aerodrome submissions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reaerodrome-submissions-6/) - Here! Jim McKlosky's sketch for the Haup. Heller article in the last 'Drome wasn't used. Technical difficulties?
- [Re: Re:Aerodrome submissions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reaerodrome-submissions-3/) - Probably operator error. I'm sure Jim sent it, but as Jim is a rather driven fellow he probably sent it months ago. Meaning I stuck it on a shelf somewhere. When Mr. Carr finally gets around to wanting an Aerodrome published he sends everything and wants it printed and mailed the next day. I talked
- [Re: Re:Aerodrome submissions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reaerodrome-submissions-7/) - Don't be so tough on yourself. It's not an easy job, otherwise alot more folks would volunteer to do it.Is there anyway you can send me the Heller sketch as Jim said I could have it. Thanks. The Circus Master
- [Re: Re:Aerodrome submissions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reaerodrome-submissions-8/) - So are you doing the next issue, and do you have a deadline yet?
- [Re: Re:Aerodrome submissions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reaerodrome-submissions-4/) - No.
- [Re: Re:Aerodrome submissions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reaerodrome-submissions-9/) - We (the Apache Guys) still have one more issue to go. As soon as Mr. Carr decides we should publish an Aerodrome we will send it out. I would love to get a Spring mini-con report if you have one George. I still contend that the Mini-con is the best of the cons.
- [Re: Re:Aerodrome submissions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reaerodrome-submissions/) - Anyone have a submition for the next drome? Hey if any of you Michigan guys would like to do a write up on your experience at the mini I would to have it!
- [Re: Re:Game Day in IL!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regame-day-in-il-6/) - Sanctuary!... Sanctuary!!!! :laugh: Well if we play downstairs and we attempt to escape we can automatically just fly to the sanctuary instead of the three turn announce-to-escape rule right? j/k
- [Re: Re:Game Day in IL!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regame-day-in-il-7/) - I have a last minute emergency request: My ride there is bailing on me, and I have to take the train to get up there. Is anyone able to pick me up from either the Hanover Park or Bartlet station (whichever is more convenient for you)? The train arrives at 9:26 to Hanover Park or
- [Re: Re:Game Day in IL!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regame-day-in-il-8/) - Glad to hear it Mark - I was just coming to post that I could pick you up if no one else could. I was hoping to stay at the location to greet people though as I am the host
- [Re: Re:Game Day in IL!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regame-day-in-il-9/) - I have bad news guys, I can't get off of work. My 2nd job is at Sam's Club and they are having a special event for the weekend before thanksgiving and aren't allowing anybody off Have a great time everyone. George
- [Re: Re:Game Day in IL!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regame-day-in-il-10/) - Too bad you couldn't make it George. It WAS a great time! Mike, thanks for bringing the stat sheets for me! Dan, nice job setting up and running this event! If you could post the two-game point totals for everyone, that would be great. I hope that from this the Illinois gang can organize some
- [Re: Re:Game Day in IL!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regame-day-in-il-11/) - Thanks Mark - it was a great time. I will post the full totals sometime this weekend. I can tell you the winner though - it was you! Winner of 2-game scoring tourney: Mark Stevenson Door prize winner: Also Mark Stevenson! Anyone who attended and paid the $5 to help with food/building costs was eligible
- [Re: Re:Game Day in IL!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regame-day-in-il-12/) - That is great news! You can hold on to the prizes so as to both save shipping costs AND as incentive to plan on getting together again some time to throw dice... OH MY, those points were accumulated with first mission pilots too... What luck, I might have to change my board name to SILVER
- [Re: Re:Game Day in IL!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regame-day-in-il-13/) - Final scores (note that some players only scored one game due to time constraints): Mark S +125 Jim Q +75 Mark H +53 Dan W +33 Brian M +27 Ken M +26 Mike C -4 Jim T -13 Dan D -31 I appreciate those that spent time helping the newer players and even sacrificed some
- [Re: Re:Game Day in IL!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regame-day-in-il-14/) - I have been lax in posting the pics from the IL gaming day. I am about to start my holiday vacation and will try to post the pics by this weekend. If anyone else that attended has photos, then please contact me via this page.. http://dawnpatrol.org/index.php?option=com_contact&task=view&contact_id=2&Itemid=3
- [Re: Re:Game Day in IL!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regame-day-in-il/) - I will be there, and like the idea of the formation of an Illinois Jasta! For those who are considering traveling to this event, it appears that the closest hotel to the venue is also the cheapest; Extended Stay Hotel of Hanover Park is what to key your search for. Preliminary checks over several travel
- [Re: Re:Game Day in IL!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regame-day-in-il-2/) - I plan on being there as well, as long as work cooperates. I have a friend in Chicago who wants to learn the game and this may be a perfect time. George
- [Re: Re:Game Day in IL!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regame-day-in-il-3/) - Glad the event is finally almost upon us! :woohoo: I am donating my Sopwith Triplane (1/72 scale) as a prize option, if awards are being presented. See you all there! Mark
- [Re: Re:Game Day in IL!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regame-day-in-il-4/) - I'll be there with guns loaded!(Hmm...where is that parachute?) Dan
- [Re: Re:Game Day in IL!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/regame-day-in-il-5/) - All, Just a few notes on Saturday - so far we have 13 confirmed attendees with a couple of more that are probable attendees. There are still others that I have yet to hear from and plan to call tonight. A note about the location: We will need to begin the day in the upstairs
- [Re: Re:New Chat Component Coming Soon](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/renew-chat-component-coming-soon/) - Unfortunately, I did not get a chance to deploy the new chat compenent yet. Hopefully, I will be able to do it in the next couple of nights.
- [Re: Re:New Chat Component Coming Soon](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/renew-chat-component-coming-soon-2/) - Awesome I look forward to testing it out Dan!
- [Re: New Chat Component Active!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/new-chat-component-active/) - The New Chat Component is Active! Enjoy :cheer:
- [Re: Observers and Quickstart](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/observers-and-quickstart/) - Yes
- [Re: Observers and Quickstart](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/observers-and-quickstart-2/) - Yes, absolutely. Each observer is "another set of eyes" to be on the lookout for enemy planes, no matter if they're above, below or behind -- and ace or experienced observers definitely are considered as "modifiers"
- [Re: Observers and Quickstart](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/observers-and-quickstart-3/) - Perfect, thanks. That was consensus opinion but we weren't 100% sure.
- [Re: Observers and Quickstart](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/observers-and-quickstart-4/) - Is the only change the term flier is substituted for pilot?
- [Re: Observers and Quickstart](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/observers-and-quickstart-5/) - fambans wrote: Is the only change the term flier is substituted for pilot? Yes. The rule stayed exactly the same but the language was changed to obfuscate the rules lawyers.
- [Re: Re:Suggestion for Downloads](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/resuggestion-for-downloads/) - I have emailed Mike requesting that he send me a copy of Aerodrome #100 so I can scan it. I will keep you posted.
- [Re: Re:Suggestion for Downloads](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/resuggestion-for-downloads-3/) - Good news - Mike sent me issue #100 for scanning. I am scannig it in as I type this. I will have my buddy create the PDF tomorrow and post it then. Mike sent me other issues as well which will soon be uploaded to the FITS only downloads area.
- [Re: Re:Suggestion for Downloads](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/resuggestion-for-downloads-4/) - AeroDrome #100 has been posted to the downloads area as requested. Thanks again Mike for getting it to me for scanning! I believe the rollup chart you are looking for is on page 14.
- [Re: Re:Suggestion for Downloads](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/resuggestion-for-downloads-2/) - Hey Dan, Do you need softcopy of any of the recent Aerodormes? (You know for posting purposes)
- [Re: Re:Suggestion for Downloads](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/resuggestion-for-downloads-5/) - Yes if you could that would be great. PDF format is best for the site. I can convert it myself if need be. Thanks!
- [Re: Re:Online Roster Problem](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reonline-roster-problem/) - Thanks for the notice! It was properly saving to the database. There was an error retrieving it though. This has been corrected.
- [Re: Re:Suggestion for Forum](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/resuggestion-for-forum/) - The second option is much much easier. I would ask that squadron leaders post to both places with a quick copy and paste. Creating the new forum category now - I will add Squadron sub-categories as requested.
- [Re: Re:Suggestion for Forum](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/resuggestion-for-forum-2/) - All set Andy - thanks for the suggestion
- [Re: Re:Suggestion for Forum](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/resuggestion-for-forum-3/) - Awesome thanxs Dan! I seem to remember that I owe a new set of VDP and VEDP instructions for the website as well, right? Hopefully I should have some time soon to put those together...
- [Re: Re:Suggestion for Forum](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/resuggestion-for-forum-4/) - That would be great Andy - thanks.
- [Re: Re:Preview Problem](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/repreview-problem/) - Thanks for letting me know. You discovered a problem with this template not autoscrolling. The submit button is "there" but it has scrolled below the bottom portion of the page. I will play with the forum template to try and remedy this.
- [Re: Re:Ace List](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reace-list/) - I apologize for not responding sooner. I saw your message one day before I left for work and did not have time to respond - then I forgot all about it and it was no longer highlighted in my new messages - sorry! Anyway, my thoughts on the Ace List are that I could use
- [Re: Re:Ace List](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reace-list-3/) - I think Jim is looking for exactly what you have already built. The only function that he may additionally be looking for is a way to print the results. Dan, did you get the Aerodrome last year that had the ace list insert? I think he is looking for a way to gather this info
- [Re: Re:Ace List](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reace-list-4/) - I do have that list and it is also in the Downloads area. The only problem I see is that I would prefer to have people registered on the website and submitting their own pilots. If we maintain the Ace List for people, then there is going to be duplicate entry of pilots required for
- [Re: Re:Ace List](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reace-list-2/) - Sorry for the confusion. Hey Dan I want to set up a form that any Paid member can access and print or just soft copy. From there they can email it to me or Snailmail it to me. This will then be used to compile the Ace list for publication. Including all those ratio thingies
- [Re: Re:Ace List](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reace-list-5/) - This one that rick used - was it an online form or just from the Aerodrome? I do not have access to the code from the old website but I might be able to get it from former host - if not I can create something new.
- [Re: Re:Ace List](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reace-list-6/) - hold on here... before we get too far in creating something else new... Jim - have you seen the tool that Dan has built on this site for listing pilots? I think we could just use (possibly modify slightly) this and have anyone that wants to submit their pilots just create their list on this
- [Re: Re:Ace List](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reace-list-7/) - I have begun work on utilizing the current tool for the Ace List. Check for it by the end of this weekend. Dan
- [Re: Re:Ace List](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reace-list-8/) - Initial Ace List functionality deployed to DP-PILOTS tool. Please try out the new ace list functions and let me know what you think. You can apply filters as needed to get the list you want, such as all 'Active' 'British' Aces. We do have the "Displayed Name" column in the DP-PILOTS account settings that I
- [Re: Re:Ace List](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reace-list-9/) - Now our biggest problem will be getting everyone to enter their pilot info.
- [Re: Re:Ace List](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reace-list-10/) - I just made quite a few Ace List updates to the DP-PILOTS tool. In addition to a few style sheet changes, you can now select your squadron in the "Edit My Settings" area of the "Options" screen. Any aces you have entered will be listed on the FITS Ace List and will also show your
- [Re: Re:Calendar](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recalendar/) - Yes, you should be able to, but then it will need to be approved by a moderator. This is just to keep spammers from putting unwanted links on the calendar, etc. You should see a little plus sign in the upper right corner of each date. If you don't please let me know.
- [Re: Re:Calendar](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recalendar-2/) - Nope, I don't see it.
- [Re: Re:Calendar](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recalendar-3/) - Ok, it should be working now. Please try again.
- [Re: Re:Calendar](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recalendar-4/) - Looks like it's working now. I submitted an event. Thanks!
- [Re: Observers and Quickstart](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/observers-and-quickstart-6/) - Well now I am confused for sure, Al says the rule hasn't changed. Before it was pilots, not observers. Now we have the ambiguous term fliers. Everyone else here says it's observers and pilots, which is different.
- [Re: Observers and Quickstart](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/observers-and-quickstart-7/) - I think Al means that the intent of the rule was always that observers should count, but the original word "pilots" didn't capture that, so it was changed to "fliers". Intent the same, wording now more closely matches intent. I personally think "fliers" very clearly includes observers. Graham
- [Re: Observers and Quickstart](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/observers-and-quickstart-8/) - To say that the original intent was pilots and observers when just pilots was written demands explanation. I need to hear from Al directly before my mind will be at ease.
- [Re: Observers and Quickstart](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/observers-and-quickstart-9/) - Ok, but I'm not sure why your mind isn't at ease about the current rules. Both Mike and Al said that observers count for modifiers and "fliers" seems perfectly clear.
- [Re: Observers and Quickstart](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/observers-and-quickstart-10/) - I merely want to know why the old rule said pilots when it actually meant, and has ALWAYS meant, pilots and observers. I think only Al can answer that. Mike isn't going to answer here. I also have to wonder what other rules don't really mean what they appear to say.
- [Re: Observers and Quickstart](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/observers-and-quickstart-11/) - Ok. I will point out that Mike did answer on this thread once already. Also, this rule was originally drafted by Kerry Nash, I believe. At least we know what it means now! There's always the potential for different interpretations and lack of clarity in any rules - even (especially?) the US Constitution. I'm happy
- [Re: Observers and Quickstart](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/observers-and-quickstart-13/) - Designer (1 post) is Mike Carr?
- [Re: Observers and Quickstart](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/observers-and-quickstart-14/) - Yes.
- [Re: Emergency airfield](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/emergency-airfield/) - Per the 7th Edition Rule book - Page 26 - Landing at an Airfield If a plane is able to return to its home field, it can figure its landing chances normally. Since this is not considered an emergency landing, only 5% should be subtracted from each critical hit, rather than the 10% subtracted if
- [Re: Observers and Quickstart](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/observers-and-quickstart-12/) - fambans wrote: I merely want to know why the old rule said pilots when it actually meant, and has ALWAYS meant, pilots and observers. I think only Al can answer that. Mike isn't going to answer here. I also have to wonder what other rules don't really mean what they appear to say. There are
- [Re: Re:FITS Custom Dice Now Available via the Web](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/refits-custom-dice-now-available-via-the-web/) - Will they help me roll any better?
- [Re: Re:FITS Custom Dice Now Available via the Web](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/refits-custom-dice-now-available-via-the-web-2/) - If they are weighted the same as the Iron Cross dice they will roll alot more double one pilot kills. Us Arizona guys have actually banned the Iron cross dice from play because of that.
- [Re: Re:FITS Custom Dice Now Available via the Web](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/refits-custom-dice-now-available-via-the-web-3/) - Not trying to be rude, but I would suggest that some actual testing be done to prove that before banning something. Several hundred rolls should do it. I can assure you my set(s) have not helped me like that! Want to trade
- [Re: Re:FITS Custom Dice Now Available via the Web](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/refits-custom-dice-now-available-via-the-web-4/) - "Chuckles" Try em' out and count the 1's. I will add we are buying a truckload of the 'cockade' dice.
- [Re: Membership processing - and sending e-mails - ???](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/membership-processing-and-sending-e-mails/) - Hey Eris, Dan is the guy. I will see if I can get ahold of him for you.
- [Re: Membership processing - and sending e-mails - ???](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/membership-processing-and-sending-e-mails-2/) - Eris, I am sorry about the fact that your membership has not been activated yet. I depend on Jim Barber to notify me when he receives a payment and occasionally that message is not sent or I miss it in email. I have switched your account to a member account. You should see the member
- [Re: Re:Online Roster Suggestions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reonline-roster-suggestions/) - I hear you on this one. I only implemented the version 7 aircraft groups because the "new" plane data is not yet available. I could handle this several ways. One, I could implement free-form as you said. The reason I wanted it to be a table driven type field is for later reporting use. If
- [Re: Re:Online Roster Suggestions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reonline-roster-suggestions-2/) - While looking up the information on ranks, I also found the Pilot Progression and Aircraft Groupings chart issued in 1999 for 8th Ed. If you want to keep this table driven I could live with updating the tables to this standard. The changes for the Germans are: 1) Change Roland D IIa to Roland D
- [Re: Re:Online Roster Suggestions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reonline-roster-suggestions-3/) - Thank you sir! I worked through part of your list and will finish up the rest tomorrow. I wanted to ask though - what about the other Central Powers groups? Were there differences there too? Thanks again for the contribution! Dan
- [Re: Re:Online Roster Suggestions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reonline-roster-suggestions-6/) - Also - just to let you know, I have the mission log piece for DP-PILOTS almost finished. Also - very soon I will be adding in the ability to designate someone as a pilot or observer along with the ability to link pilots with observers. I am envisioning a clickable list of the people a
- [Re: Re:Online Roster Suggestions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reonline-roster-suggestions-8/) - I ended up playing in the online VDP match last night. I am going to get to the changes for you ASAP over this long weekend!
- [Re: Re:Online Roster Suggestions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reonline-roster-suggestions-7/) - dan wrote: Quote: other Central Powers groups? That would be the Austro-Hungarians. They go Hansa-Brandenburg D I, promotable to Oeffag/Phonix/Berg. Only two groups.
- [Re: Re:Online Roster Suggestions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reonline-roster-suggestions-9/) - Ok, The group changes, including the Austro-Hungarian changes are in place. Thanks again for reviewing these. Dan
- [Re: Re:Online Roster Suggestions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reonline-roster-suggestions-10/) - The A-H also had two seater pilots and observers.
- [Re: Re:Online Roster Suggestions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reonline-roster-suggestions-4/) - Do you mean each of the following shown below? Alien wrote: Quote: 6b)C type two seater pilot. Promotes to 6c. 6c)CL/J type two seater pilot. 6d) C type two seater observer. Promotes to 6e. 6e) CL/J type two seater observer. 6f) Seaplane pilot. 6g) Seaplane observer. I'll get back to you later on the Allied
- [Re: Re:Online Roster Suggestions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reonline-roster-suggestions-11/) - dan wrote: Quote: Do you mean each of the following shown below? Alien wrote: Quote: 6b)C type two seater pilot. Promotes to 6c. 6c)CL/J type two seater pilot. 6d) C type two seater observer. Promotes to 6e. 6e) CL/J type two seater observer. 6f) Seaplane pilot. 6g) Seaplane observer. I'll get back to you later
- [Re: Re:Online Roster Suggestions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reonline-roster-suggestions-5/) - Alien wrote: I'll get back to you later on the Allied changes. I didn't intend it to be quite this much later! Brits Ni 17/27 D.H. 2/F.E. 8/Morane-Saulnier N D.H. 5/S.E. 5 S.E. 5a Sop. Pup (RFC) Sop. Pup/Sop. Tripe (RNAS) Camel/Snipe SPAD VII/XIII Sop. Dolphin F.E. 2 b/d Pilot Bristol F.2b Pilot D.H. 4/9/9a
- [Re: Re:Online Roster Suggestions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reonline-roster-suggestions-12/) - Alien wrote: I'll get back to you with the rest of the allies and it won't take nearly as long. Honest! Belgians Ni. 11/17 SPAD VII/XII/ Hanriot/Camel Two-seater Pilot Two-Seater Observer French Ni. 11/17/27 SPAD VII SPAD XIII Two-seater Pilot Two-Seater Observer Seaplane Pilot Seaplane Observer Italian Hanriot/Ni. 11/17/27 SPAD VII/XIII Two-seater Pilot Two-Seater Observer
- [Re: Re:DP Aircraft Stats Sevice](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redp-aircraft-stats-sevice/) - Thanks for letting me know. Something is up with the redirect on the dp-pilots.com domain name that is causing that issue. There is an alternate web address that gets you to the page though and it is still working as expected. I updated the link in the FITS Only tab. You should be good to
- [Re: Re:DP Aircraft Stats Sevice](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redp-aircraft-stats-sevice-2/) - dan wrote: Quote: Thanks for letting me know. Something is up with the redirect on the dp-pilots.com domain name that is causing that issue. There is an alternate web address that gets you to the page though and it is still working as expected. I updated the link in the FITS Only tab. You should
- [Re: Aircraft Stats down?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/aircraft-stats-down/) - I apologize for not seeing this post. The stats service was apparently down when the hosting provider was doing some server maintenance. Let me know if you have any trouble with it. Dan
- [Re: Aircraft Stats down?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/aircraft-stats-down-2/) - Is it still down? I can't seem to find it on the site. I also saw reference to a pilots roster section. If that is operational, I can't find it either.
- [Re: Aircraft Stats down?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/aircraft-stats-down-3/) - I could get to it. It's in the "Members" section.
- [Re: Aircraft Stats down?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/aircraft-stats-down-4/) - The only options I have under the Members section are Dawn Patrol Comms and Contact Admin.
- [Re: Aircraft Stats down?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/aircraft-stats-down-5/) - Then for some reason it's you. I have the three additional options. Sorry I can't help!
- [Re: Aircraft Stats down?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/aircraft-stats-down-6/) - Remembered last night that I hadn't sent my membership fee to Jim for this year, so that may have been the problem. Sent it last night so I'll see if that adds those options back in.
- [Re: Aircraft Stats down?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/aircraft-stats-down-7/) - Kevan, I saw that email last night and double-checked your account at that time. I did have to re-include it in the members group. Let me know if you have any issues. Dan
- [Re: Aircraft Stats down?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/aircraft-stats-down-8/) - Thanks Dan, I now have those options available. Kevan
- [Re: Re:Counter Sheets](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounter-sheets/) - Added trains and vehichles
- [Re: Re:Counter Sheets](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounter-sheets-2/) - I can't seem to find the new counter sheet in the downloads section.
- [Re: Re:Counter Sheets](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounter-sheets-3/) - Hmm I checked and they are still there General allied counters and german counters both listed on the secure download section. GoodLuck!!
- [Re: Re:Counter Sheets](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recounter-sheets-4/) - Archie counters also uploaded
- [Re: Re:Thomas morse S4c Stats?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rethomas-morse-s4c-stats/) - I could be wrong, but I'm not sure that plane ever made it into the theatre of operations. Wasn't it just a stateside trainer?
- [Re: Re:Thomas morse S4c Stats?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rethomas-morse-s4c-stats-2/) - That is correct. The only "combat" it saw was in movies. I wanted to try them out as a "what if" game for fun. I'm thinking it should be a lot like a Sopwith Pup, with a wing mounted Marlin MG. Any thoughts?
- [Re: Re:Thomas morse S4c Stats?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rethomas-morse-s4c-stats-4/) - I saw an original Tommy fly in Guntersville AL in 1992. I don't know that it could hold a Marlin gun on the top wing. Maybe a Lewis gun. I'll never forget the castor oil smell as it flew past us. I don't think it would perform as well as a Pup. More like Roland
- [Re: Re:Thomas morse S4c Stats?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/rethomas-morse-s4c-stats-3/) - Thanks for the help! I envy you getting to see one. i never was able to get the time off from work to see that airshow, which was only a couple of hours drive.
- [Re: Saturday 20 April...  9:30 am  Games in Minnesota](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/saturday-20-april-930-am-games-in-minnesota/) - We had a GREAT time today playing FITS today! We got in 7 games total. Lots of laughs and good fellowship at the table. Thanks again to Carl for hosting today's activities. Looking forward to next week when Mike will be in town. Also, online Sunday and Monday night! I just can't get enough! ~Great
- [Re: Overseas membership payments](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/overseas-membership-payments/) - Sorry for the delay. I am emailing the treasurer with your request now. I will follow up with you when I hear back from him.
- [Re: Overseas membership payments](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/overseas-membership-payments-3/) - I will see him today at the minicon, and will ask him to reply directly to this. Thanks George
- [Re: Overseas membership payments](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/overseas-membership-payments-2/) - Thanks guys, email received and money despatched via paypal
- [Re: Master Scenario Chart Files???](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/master-scenario-chart-files/) - Eris, Let me talk to Mike and see what we can do for you! I know he is in the process of putting together Version 8 of the game, which will include all these charts , but in the interim let me see, as we have all been waiting many years now for Version 8!
- [Re: Random Pilot Name Generator](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/random-pilot-name-generator/) - Cool. Hey Dan, if you're out there, could you add that functionality to the website using what Carl has built? Maybe this way we can actually get Andy and John to name their pilots? ; ) Graham
- [Re: Minnesota Ghost Jasta Dice](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/minnesota-ghost-jasta-dice/) - Did you ever get these?
- [Re: Minnesota Ghost Jasta Dice](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/minnesota-ghost-jasta-dice-2/) - I did receive a pair of these dice from my good friend Tim Knoblauch. So, now I have the dice I wanted!! Thank you for asking.
- [Re: Re:do you guys still exist?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redo-you-guys-still-exist/) - Is Gamer's in Indy? I seem to remember playing there with the Indy Squadron. You might want to check their site.There is a link on the main page here. Dan
- [Re: Re:do you guys still exist?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redo-you-guys-still-exist-2/) - Noski wrote: Quote: Is Gamer's in Indy? I seem to remember playing there with the Indy Squadron. You might want to check their site.There is a link on the main page here. Dan nope, im looking for the guys from arizona i hit up their website but havent gotten anything there either.
- [Re: Re:do you guys still exist?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/redo-you-guys-still-exist-3/) - I wrote Jim Philips (from AZ) several times in the past year but didn't get any replies. Just funky texts once in a while.
- [Re: Dayton Seminar report](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/dayton-seminar-report/) - Thanks Al! Did you enjoy the seminar and airshow? I'm sorry if I missed a write up on these events that you've posted elsewhere.
- [Re: Dayton Seminar report](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/dayton-seminar-report-2/) - The seminar was good. There was some good stuff in the airshow displays, but not as many planes as I expected. The ones that were there were pretty decent though.
- [Re: Lewis defensive fire](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/lewis-defensive-fire/) - Thanks Dan! I don't have that book. Does it have any more info? I'm curious how the SE5 pilot did it. Did the Alb zoom past on a diving attack, and the SE5 pilot shot him as he climbed away? I'm struggling to think how else he might have done it. I was reading Aces
- [Re: Lewis defensive fire](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/lewis-defensive-fire-5/) - Hey Graham ! You got it. The SE was stuck at 100 ft with jammed guns. The Alb would dive from behind, fire and then zoom climb back to altitude. Bowman pulled the Lewis down to clear the jam. After clearing it (still under attack )he waited and when the Alb got close the SE
- [Re: Lewis defensive fire](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/lewis-defensive-fire-2/) - Doubtful I'll be playing on line. I am lucky as I am playing twice a month in f-t-f games here with the Freikorps boys. D
- [Re: Lewis defensive fire](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/lewis-defensive-fire-7/) - It's great that you're getting to play face to face. If you ever have a lull and want to try some online gaming, just let me know. It's working great, with Skype allowing us to communicate very easily while we play. We even get to tease Barber! No need to quote exact passages. Let me
- [Re: Lewis defensive fire](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/lewis-defensive-fire-3/) - The "Barber Effect"... Lol Dan you gotta try the online! It gives me a chance to catch up with my Michigan boys while I'm down here in Alabama! Take it easy! TJ
- [Re: Lewis defensive fire](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/lewis-defensive-fire-8/) - I know both Ball and McCudden used the foster mount quite effectively to fly level under their target and rake them to pieces. The Lewis gun had a faster rate of fire as well, since it did not have to deal with the interrupter gear, so many pilots preferred it. I think it would be
- [Re: Lewis defensive fire](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/lewis-defensive-fire-9/) - I agree that it is unfortunate that the SE5a is greeted with groans, not cheers. That said, I'm not sure it is unfairly represented in the game. Compared to the primary alternative, the Camel, it was much more stable and much easier to fly. It killed far fewer pilots in accidents. Most importantly, in my
- [Re: Lewis defensive fire](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/lewis-defensive-fire-4/) - I don't think it is an accident that the top 3 scoring British aces flew the SE 5a. That said...I think a couple SQDs use the defensive shot if the attacker moves in from the front 3 squares only . And the attacker takes an HO attack. After reading Lewis' account , I'd say if
- [Re: Lewis defensive fire](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/lewis-defensive-fire-10/) - Quote from Major Sholto Douglas, 84 Squadron, quoted in Aces Falling by Peter Hart: "That will cause howls of anguish from the pilots who flew the Sopwith Camel; but it was a fact that the SE5 retained in a large measure its performance at high altitudes, which the Camel did not. And since the SE5
- [Re: Lewis defensive fire](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/lewis-defensive-fire-11/) - I'll get my data & stats proposal all posted when I get back home & have access to my computer in a few weeks!
- [Re: Lewis defensive fire](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/lewis-defensive-fire-6/) - Another way to do it would be to allow defensive fire from all angles, but determine the angle of the shot based on which way the attacker came in form: head-on if entered from the front three, Side if from the two side, and Bottom if from the rear three.
- [Re: Wingman Tournament](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/wingman-tournament/) - The teams that I know of so far are Blake Taylor/ George Henion Martin Stever/ Dennis Elliott
- [Re: Re:Saturdays Game.](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/resaturdays-game/) - Glad to hear the website is helping out some!
- [Re: Re:Saturdays Game.](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/resaturdays-game-2/) - I just never got around to replying to this... I'm one of the new members of Apache Jagdstaffel and have been loving every minute of it. Jim, Scott and all the others have made Dawn Patrol such a great experience for us that we keep coming back...mostly twice a week or more! I just wanted
- [Re: Re:Saturdays Game.](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/resaturdays-game-3/) - i cant find you guys at gamers, ive been looking for the last week also i cant get you on the squadron website. have you abandoned the game or perhaps the establisement? plz respond to vaargtuyole@hotmail.com
- [Re: Gen Con Events](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/gen-con-events/) - Many thanks to George and all the people running games. I'll be there for at least some of the events this year! Graham
- [Re: Gen Con Events](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/gen-con-events-2/) - The Blue Max wrote: Below is the list of Gen Con events for 2014 Event Date and Time Judge Pusher Power Fri, Aug. 15th 9:00 PM Blake Taylor When British pusher type fighters encounter a flight of German Walfisches, who will gain the upper hand in this challenging low altitude air battle?________________________________________ Event Date and
- [Re: Re:Ace of Aces](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reace-of-aces-2/) - The big question is , what is an ace? 5 kills vs 12 missions. For instance , I am more impressed by Tully downing two pilots with 19 kills between them than I would be if they had 24 missions between them and zero kills. Dan
- [Re: Re:Ace of Aces](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reace-of-aces-3/) - I beleive we all define an Ace as a pilot with 5+ kills. Though if we went historical I believe the germans would require 10+ kills to be an Ace.
- [Re: Re:Ace of Aces](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reace-of-aces-4/) - The Germans considered you a 'kanone' when you reached 4 kills. You would be mentioned in dispatches and put on an official ace roster. It was the Brits who had the 10 kill mark.The French had the 5 kill mark, aped by the US.
- [Re: Re:Ace of Aces](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reace-of-aces/) - My pilot Oscar Ritter von Mader II shot down 5 aces, but was later wounded and captured behind enemy lines.:unsure:
- [Re: Re:Ace List](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reace-list-26/) - Is it Brendan Roberts? I believe he is from Australia
- [Re: Re:Ace List](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reace-list-27/) - Ahh I'm Sure it is and thanks I'll put him in the Virtual Dawn Patrol Group
- [Re: Re:Ace List](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reace-list-25/) - Joseki wrote: Quote: NICE!!! I like that Dan thanks. Ok for all of you wondering it is not too late to send in your Aces/Experienced Airmen. For those of you that have send me your Pilots I thankyou. ~~Jim I sent mine in an e-mail. Did you get them?
- [Re: Re:Ace List](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reace-list-28/) - No Sir went back just now and rechecked. Didn't find an email from you. Please resend to Mason_Jar1@hotmail.com
- [Re: Re:Ace List](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reace-list-29/) - Sent another one just now. Let me know if it gets through.
- [Re: Re:Ace List](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reace-list-30/) - Received this one Al, Thanks!
- [Re: Re:Can I purchase older issues of Aerodrome?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recan-i-purchase-older-issues-of-aerodrome/) - Mike has extras but I would just encourage our Moderators to continue scanning them in. I love that feature. I hope they do 127 next along with the house rules supplement. (hint, hint)
- [Re: Re:Can I purchase older issues of Aerodrome?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recan-i-purchase-older-issues-of-aerodrome-3/) - I believe you can become a Society member right here on this website, otherwise we can get you the address... As far as back issues... the intention is to eventually have them ALL available here on the website! Unfortunately it is a time consuming process to scan and load them - its on my 'to
- [Re: Re:Can I purchase older issues of Aerodrome?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recan-i-purchase-older-issues-of-aerodrome-4/) - Dan got me in contqact with Mr. Jim Barber and I am waitgin for his reply. I would like to purchase all back issues that I can if possible.
- [Re: Re:Can I purchase older issues of Aerodrome?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/recan-i-purchase-older-issues-of-aerodrome-2/) - Many back issues of AERODROME are still in print and probably more than 2/3 of all issue numbers since #100 are available. The cost is $3 each or 10 for $20, plus $3 for shipping. If you're looking for a particular issue, just inquire -- however, as you'd expect, some of the most popular issues
- [Re: Re:Subscription change of address?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/resubscription-change-of-address/) - I sent you a private message here with the treasurer's email address - he is the one you need to contact. Take care, dan
- [Re: Re:Aerodrome Archive Updated](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reaerodrome-archive-updated-4/) - I was also able to post AeroDrome 153 today. Thanks Jim Phillips! Having the original word docs made this the smallest PDF file yet. This one is packed with goodies like counters and even a map.
- [Re: Re:Aerodrome Archive Updated](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reaerodrome-archive-updated-5/) - Aerodrome 151 has been posted, more to come soon!
- [Re: Re:Aerodrome Archive Updated](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reaerodrome-archive-updated-2/) - I just posted Aerodrome 145 today - more still coming...
- [Re: Re:Aerodrome Archive Updated](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reaerodrome-archive-updated-6/) - Aerdrome #150 is now available!
- [Re: Re:Aerodrome Archive Updated](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reaerodrome-archive-updated-7/) - Thank you guys, we do not have any of the back issues, so this is very much appreciated.
- [Re: Re:Aerodrome Archive Updated](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reaerodrome-archive-updated-8/) - AeroDrome #100 has been posted to the downloads area as requested. Thanks again Mike for getting it to me for scanning! There is a useful rollup chart for reloading Lewis guns on page 14.
- [Re: AeroDrome 137 alt. tailing rules and cards!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/aerodrome-137-alt-tailing-rules-and-cards/) - I just uploaded AeroDrome 137 from winter of 2001 - This one has alternate tailing rules and improved tailing cards! :woohoo:
- [Re: Re:AeroDrome 137 alt. tailing rules and cards!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reaerodrome-137-alt-tailing-rules-and-cards/) - where did you upload it to? I do not see it in downloads and i am a paid member.
- [Re: Re:AeroDrome 137 alt. tailing rules and cards!](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reaerodrome-137-alt-tailing-rules-and-cards-2/) - I have to apologize, normally I activate the member only areas for paid members within 24 hours of activation. Last week though, I had the flu and developed strep throat on top of it. As a result, your signup fell through the cracks. I am just now catching up at work and with everything else!
- [Re: Re:Aerodrome Archive Updated](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reaerodrome-archive-updated-9/) - dan wrote: Quote: AeroDrome #100 has been posted to the downloads area as requested. Thanks again Mike for getting it to me for scanning! There is a useful rollup chart for reloading Lewis guns on page 14. There's also an official tailing explanation article.
- [Re: Re:Aerodrome Archive Updated](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reaerodrome-archive-updated-10/) - Is Aerodrome still being published? How do I become a subscriber? Can I purchase the old issues from someone?
- [Re: Re:Aerodrome Archive Updated](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reaerodrome-archive-updated-3/) - Well, that clinches it...i'm going to amble on over to the sign-up for FITS. Seems like more than a good deal for access to archive,etc...:cheer:
- [Re: Re:Aerodrome Archive Updated](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reaerodrome-archive-updated/) - I posted Aerodrome 144 today. More to come.
- [Re: Re:Ace List](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reace-list-24/) - Hey Guys, Who is Robert Brendan and what group does he play with?
- [Re: Re:Ace List](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reace-list-22/) - I do apologize, I have started doing websites on the side (in addition to my day job) and I have been swamped. Earlier this summer, I did add an area for Squadron information to the DP-PILOTS tool so that it would display it for Jim on the DP-PILOTS ace list. To have your squadron listed
- [Re: Re:Ace List](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reace-list-23/) - NICE!!! I like that Dan thanks. Ok for all of you wondering it is not too late to send in your Aces/Experienced Airmen. For those of you that have send me your Pilots I thankyou. ~~Jim
- [Re: Re:Ace List](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reace-list-11/) - The DP-PILOTS application under the FITS Only tab provides a way to submit pilots. Ace level pilots then show up on the Ace List under that app. Were you looking for something in addition to this?
- [Re: Re:Ace List](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reace-list-12/) - The Ace List that gets published in the AERODROME has a slightly different format, an the AC themselves are broken down individually, not by category as well. How difficult would be to set something up so users could import an excel spreadsheet with their data? Either that, or come up with a universal format for
- [Re: Re:Ace List](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reace-list-13/) - Jim, Correct me if I am wrong, but the submission sheet in the Drome is setup like this, right? Tally | Aircraft | Pilot | Rank | Nationality | Owner | Medals So the differences would be minor, but would be best to set up in a way that is easiest to export to excel
- [Re: Re:Ace List](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reace-list-14/) - cubsfan4life wrote: Quote: Jim, Correct me if I am wrong, but the submission sheet in the Drome is setup like this, right? Tally | Aircraft | Pilot | Rank | Nationality | Owner | Medals So the differences would be minor, but would be best to set up in a way that is easiest to
- [Re: Re:Ace List](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reace-list-15/) - Thanks go out to Ron Currie and Robert Auer being the first two individuals to send in thier Ace and Experienced lists. (That was the subtle hint to the rest of you:)
- [Re: Re:Ace List](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reace-list-16/) - Actually I handed to him:) It took me all of 1 minute to write it up since I only have the one. But you are all witnesses. Jim has threatened to lose that sheet since this pilot has one kill and it was a solo kill on Jim's 4 seat bomber. Jim, perhaps you should
- [Re: Re:Ace List](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reace-list-17/) - In case any of you missed it the Ace and Experienced submission form went out with the last Aerodrome. I'd like to have all of your submission by September. If you have any questions let me know. thanks ~~Jim
- [Re: Re:Ace List](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reace-list-18/) - Jim, What is the best way to send you a soft copy? I have my list in an excel spreadsheet, that I could easily sort the columns per the insert in the DROME... would that be OK? lmk thanxs!
- [Re: Re:Ace List](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reace-list-19/) - That works for me Though I will take them in any form I can get them. Rob sent them to me in email and I just pulled them from there. If I have questions I will ask.
- [Re: Re:Ace List](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reace-list-20/) - Jim, do you have a spreadsheet that could be uploaded somewhere, make it easier for you to read ?
- [Re: Re:Ace List](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/reace-list-21/) - Dan was going to put one up for me.
- [Re: Re:Tuesday Night Game!  2/17](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/retuesday-night-game-217/) - Looks like we have 2 takers so far...just need two more!!
- [Re: Re:Tuesday Night Game!  2/17](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/retuesday-night-game-217-3/) - I hope to pop my head in there, but my daughter is sick so bed time tonight will probably not go according to schedule. Hopefully I can join a bit late and fly in.
- [Re: Re:Tuesday Night Game!  2/17](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/retuesday-night-game-217-4/) - I ended up out of town last week, but I'll log in tonight to see if there's a game.
- [Re: Re:Tuesday Night Game!  2/17](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/retuesday-night-game-217-5/) - I have a family gig tonight so wont be online myself... maybe next week?
- [Re: Re:Tuesday Night Game!  2/17](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/retuesday-night-game-217-6/) - is this a 4 player game only? Im interested in play. What time and time zone do you play usually?
- [Re: Re:Tuesday Night Game!  2/17](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/retuesday-night-game-217-7/) - Charles, Typically they are 4 player games. The start time was usually about 8pm central, though we sometimes try for earlier. I would love to play tonight but I am behind on work after being sick for a solid week. Hopefully next week for me! Dan
- [Re: Re:Tuesday Night Game!  2/17](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/retuesday-night-game-217-2/) - Hey Charles, If you are asking if this is limited to 4 players the answer is no. The games are 4 Players and up. That way they qualify for Pilot experience. Although I don't often make the games they are usually start at 7pm Central Standard time.
- [Re: Re:E-game #10 COMPLETE,  E-game #11?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ree-game-10-complete-e-game-11/) - Andy, Not trying to be pushy, but did a full report ever come out for this game? If so, I missed it in my email. Please let me know, thanks!
- [Re: Re:E-game #10 COMPLETE,  E-game #11?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ree-game-10-complete-e-game-11-2/) - You know, I am not sure if I ever wrote up an 'official' report... I know the game ended w/ the battle scattering. I think Carl got the kill on John H, I can't remember who got Kevan though... I'll check my PC at home to see if I wrote anything though! Anyone interested in
- [Re: Re:E-game #10 COMPLETE,  E-game #11?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/ree-game-10-complete-e-game-11-3/) - This was the battle along the front right? I know I killed a couple of tanks, but my own record keeping for that game was dismal so I am relying on you Thanks again for hosting it. I will host an e-game soon, but right now RL is too busy with my father-in-law's health and
- [Re: April 27, 2014 Manfred von Richthofen Game](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/april-27-2014-manfred-von-richthofen-game/) - Count me in!
- [Re: April 27, 2014 Manfred von Richthofen Game](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/april-27-2014-manfred-von-richthofen-game-2/) - Well, I was shot down in the Richtofen game. I wasn't Richtofen either. I was a British Camel pilot shot down by Graham's German pilot Heinrich Kildermann (Kill-da-man). I was wearing my helmet too so I know that doesn't work, lol. It was a fun evening and congratulations to Graham! A worthy opponent indeed! Salute!
- [Re: After Action report -  Monday 06/09/2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/after-action-report-monday-06092014/) - Great job Scott!! You're our new scribe!! Graham
- [Re: After Action report -  Monday 06/09/2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/after-action-report-monday-06092014-2/) - Just to be clear, I meant great job on the write up, not on the dirt nap!!! You may have caught this, but one wing crit should give you only -5% to land. To all the other online FITSters out there -- we need a better showing on these game nights! Two nights in a
- [Re: Download / Play Instructions Posted](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/download-play-instructions-posted/) - Are the VASSAL instructions on this site still up to date? Thanks, Graham
- [Re: Download / Play Instructions Posted](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/download-play-instructions-posted-2/) - I think so, only thing is you need version 1.4 of the module, which is not available out on their site. If Mark did not send it to you already let me know, and I can email it to you!
- [Re: Download / Play Instructions Posted](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/download-play-instructions-posted-3/) - I have added version 1.4 to the Downloads > VDP > non-members section of this website, so all should have access now!
- [Re: Download / Play Instructions Posted](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/download-play-instructions-posted-4/) - Hi Andy, I think I have things downloaded and launched correctly. But I get to the "server" window and don't know what to do next. There is also a "dawn patrol controls" window open. Looks like a chat window. Am I just early and no one else is on yet, or am I doing something
- [Re: Download / Play Instructions Posted](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/download-play-instructions-posted-5/) - Oh, there is a Vassal window too. I used that to launch Dawn Patrol Module 1.4, which I believe opened the other two windows. Graham
- [Re: Download / Play Instructions Posted](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/download-play-instructions-posted-6/) - you are in the right place, just no one online yet! Should be on in 1/2 hour or so...
- [Re: Download / Play Instructions Posted](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/download-play-instructions-posted-7/) - Ok, thanks. I was hoping to get on early and find out how things work. But I don't even know how to start a game, and there is none to join. I'll be back closer to 8pm eastern (20 min)
- [Re: Download / Play Instructions Posted](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/download-play-instructions-posted-8/) - Thanks for your help yesterday Andy. Wouldn't have gotten on at all without you. I the system is a bit more stable the next time I try. It got to be too much to keep logging off and on over and over again.
- [Re: After Action Report - June 15, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/after-action-report-june-15-2014/) - Correction. That would be welcome Carl Fritz who did a great job his first time online! See you online tommorrow night! -Scott
- [Re: After Action Report - June 15, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/after-action-report-june-15-2014-3/) - Ever have one of those missions where you KNOW you should leave, but that ONE last shot is just TOO tempting?!? I mean, when you UNjam two long jammed guns, you HAVE to shoot at least one more time, right?? Yup. dead. was the first damage I had taken the whole game too... gotta love
- [Re: After Action Report - June 15, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/after-action-report-june-15-2014-4/) - Thanks for the correction Scott. Carl Fritz, welcome! It was late, that's my only excuse ... Graham
- [Re: After Action Report - June 15, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/after-action-report-june-15-2014-5/) - Your welcome Andy BTW what was that pilot's name I shot down? I gotta record it on the back of my survivors notecard.... TJ
- [Re: After Action Report - June 15, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/after-action-report-june-15-2014-6/) - TJ, Andy only names his pilots when they reach 100 missions or 50 kills. Unfortunately he's still running out of good names .... Graham ; )
- [Re: After Action Report - June 15, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/after-action-report-june-15-2014-7/) - TJ although exaggerated, Graham is correct. My pilots have to EARN their names, and the way they do so is by achieving 12 missions or 5 kills. This way I do not get attached to them too early. So my 7th mission Fokker DVII pilot may be logged as ‘unknown’ may he RIP! On that
- [Re: After Action Report - June 15, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/after-action-report-june-15-2014-8/) - Yea I always liked the open damage I would much rather roll your damage instead of mine! I don't get the same vibe from the digital dice as I did from the dramatic regular dice...
- [Re: After Action Report - June 15, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/after-action-report-june-15-2014-9/) - I have to differ with you guys. I MUCH prefer hidden damage. Who really cares who tosses the dice on the table or clicks the button? But it really impacts the game if others KNOW you've just taken 3 engine hits on a fluke roll from 4 bottom hits. My first priority is to keep
- [Re: After Action Report - June 15, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/after-action-report-june-15-2014-2/) - This is true... However I have lost a lot more pilots due to closed damage than open damage... I think the Michigan group plays more chivalrous and when they see those 3 engine hits and you trying to escape, they force you down. But I do like playing both, I just feel more Bada$$ when
- [Re: After Action Report - June 13, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/after-action-report-june-13-2014/) - Looks like the bloody online luck continues.... I guess it wasn't just my luck
- [Re: After Action Report - June 8, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/after-action-report-june-8-2014-10/) - Brisfit Ace wrote: Al, I won't ask the obvious question about how you're posting on the forum without a computer. But since I'm a wonderful fellow I'll answer anyway - The Public Library.
- [Re: After Action Report - June 8, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/after-action-report-june-8-2014-12/) - I am going to try and make Sunday night, it all depends on how the day goes
- [Re: After Action Report - June 8, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/after-action-report-june-8-2014/) - Thanxs for posting Graham!! Seems like the last few reports have had quite a few pilot hits reported...does it seem like they are happening frequently on roll20?
- [Re: After Action Report - June 8, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/after-action-report-june-8-2014-3/) - There were a lot in that second game yesterday!! I don't think there are any more, on average, than there "should" be. I have scored fewer kills, and lost fewer pilots, on Roll20 than I do on average in face to face games. Also, I tested the random number generator on Roll20 and it passed
- [Re: After Action Report - June 8, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/after-action-report-june-8-2014-4/) - Yeah, it looks like a lot of pilot hits but that's probably random chance. It takes several hundred games for the numbers to even out.
- [Re: After Action Report - June 8, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/after-action-report-june-8-2014-6/) - Al, when can we get you to give the online game a try? Graham
- [Re: After Action Report - June 8, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/after-action-report-june-8-2014-5/) - Graham, Thanks for posting the AAR. How did you test the random number generator? John
- [Re: After Action Report - June 8, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/after-action-report-june-8-2014-8/) - Chi square test. See the Vassal versus Roll20 string on this forum for full details.
- [Re: After Action Report - June 8, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/after-action-report-june-8-2014-7/) - That would be shortly after I purchase a computer.
- [Re: After Action Report - June 8, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/after-action-report-june-8-2014-9/) - Al, I won't ask the obvious question about how you're posting on the forum without a computer. I will ask how a guy who worked in IT for his career doesn't have a computer?!? Wait, maybe I just answered my own question. Graham
- [Re: After Action Report - June 8, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/after-action-report-june-8-2014-2/) - Graham, the next time you run an orientation, I'd like to participate, Carl
- [Re: After Action Report - June 8, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/after-action-report-june-8-2014-11/) - Great! I'm happy to do it any time, Carl. Easiest is right before a game session, so you can go right into playing. How about This weekend? You will need a Skype account plus microphone and speakers (no camera necessary), and an account on Roll20.net. Email me separately and we'll set up the details. Graham
- [Re: Back at the Aerodrome 06/16/2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/back-at-the-aerodrome-06162014/) - Nice report Scott!! One ** to note, on the last turn i DID beat John in numbers, his superior SE just was flashy enough to immediately put more than 500 feet between himself & my slooowwww Alb...
- [Re: Back at the Aerodrome 06/16/2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/back-at-the-aerodrome-06162014-2/) - Thanks for the write up Scott. Carl, now you've officially been indoctrinated. : ( Graham
- [Re: Back at the Aerodrome 06/16/2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/back-at-the-aerodrome-06162014-5/) - Yeah, it was time to get out of there. Otherwise I would have stuck around for another shot. Even with 4 engine hits, smoke and a jammed wing gun.
- [Re: Back at the Aerodrome 06/16/2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/back-at-the-aerodrome-06162014-6/) - I want it to be known. In as much as I like to have fun, I hope I never degrade anyone or cause any ill feelings. I have not met a person online or at the table that I have true respect for when it comes to this game. I am a newbie (less than
- [Re: Back at the Aerodrome 06/16/2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/back-at-the-aerodrome-06162014-3/) - Scott you may want to read your post and edit it. Given the apologetic tone, I think what you meant to say is " I have not met a person online or at the table that I have true respect for when it comes to this game.". About the game: I don't care as much
- [Re: Back at the Aerodrome 06/16/2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/back-at-the-aerodrome-06162014-7/) - Yes, correction on my last post. I meant to say I have the utmost respect for all the players I have met thus far both online and at the table. My post above did not come out right. Thank you to Carl for pointing that out. If I have offend anyone I am sorry. You
- [Re: Back at the Aerodrome 06/16/2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/back-at-the-aerodrome-06162014-4/) - If you offended anyone, I didn't notice. :huh:
- [Re: Back at the Aerodrome 06/16/2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/back-at-the-aerodrome-06162014-8/) - Frankly, Scott your posts are so fun to read that i would get offended if someone was offended by them... i mean only a trained moose would really take offense right? (We apologise for the offensiveness in this post. Those reponsible for the trained moose comments have been sacked.) Mind you, moose bites can be
- [Re: Back at the Aerodrome 06/16/2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/back-at-the-aerodrome-06162014-9/) - Well Scott, I wasn't really offended, once I saw who wrote the post. So... Do I still get the free shot? John
- [Re: Back at the Aerodrome 06/16/2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/back-at-the-aerodrome-06162014-10/) - Scott is pretty easy to shoot at already guys, I don't think we need to go and make it "free"!! In fact, I think we need to get him to change his call sign from "Great Shot Scott" to "Great Shot AT Scott". Now that's offensive! Hey Scott, it's all in good fun. Taking a
- [Re: Online Squadron Report - 5.18.14](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/online-squadron-report-5-18-14/) - Thanks for posting that Andy. We just wrapped up our game on 5.19.14. Another good mission, with six players. We're gaining some momentum! It was a September 1918 mission, with three Fokker D.VIs surprising three American SPAD XIIIs. Andy took a beating from Mark S on turn 1, and Graham dealt 9 damage to Scott
- [Re: What's in a name?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/whats-in-a-name/) - Hey Paul, I have a couple of Pilots named after my Grandfather and Great Grandfather, but that's all.
- [Re: What's in a name?](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/whats-in-a-name-2/) - A number of my pilots bear last names from my mother's family, and from my wife's family. My most notorious pilot though was a RFC/RAF Camel pilot, George Flashman, posited to be the great-nephew of the Victorian hero/poltroon Harry Flashman (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Flashman). Like his illustrious forebear, George succeeded in spite of his yellow streak, racking
- [Re: VDP on 2/11/13](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/vdp-on-21113/) - It's a bummer that Vassal has been a bit flaky as of late... but I guess we cannot complain too much about a free service... Thanxs for the re-cap Kirk! Fun games and I look forward to playing again soon!
- [Re: VDP on 2/11/13](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/vdp-on-21113-4/) - Was it only me who lost connectivity or did it happen to everyone? If it was only me, how did the game end?
- [Re: VDP on 2/11/13](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/vdp-on-21113-5/) - No we all lost connectivity so decided to call the game.
- [Re: VDP on 2/11/13](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/vdp-on-21113-2/) - Hi Guys, Sorry I missed last night's missions. I was busy picking up an RC plane from a friend of mine that I fly with. After that, I had limo duty again picking up my kids. It sounds like you guys had fun while it lasted. Vassal has been disconnecting quite a bit lately. But,
- [Re: VDP on 2/11/13](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/vdp-on-21113-6/) - Scott - I sure hope the R/C plane you picked up yesterday isn't an FE-2. Fee's have a natural aversion to anything with crosses on their wings. We saw this phenomenon last night.
- [Re: VDP on 2/11/13](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/vdp-on-21113-3/) - Kirk - No it does not, lol. I did, however, build a R/C combat plane and I put German crosses on it. I have yet to try it out in combat to see how it does.
- [Re: VDP on 2/11/13](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/vdp-on-21113-7/) - Hey Kirk, We're up and playing on a new site .... www.roll20.net. Would you like to give it a try? Graham
- [Re: Many Thanks](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/many-thanks/) - Welcome to the site!
- [Re: Many Thanks](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/many-thanks-2/) - Paul, You are more than welcome! We always are looking for new players, and don't mind helping people get started...and until you start shooting us down on a regular basis we are mostly friendly about it too! Kidding aside, feel free to ask questions anytime, and there is no such thing as too many! ~AP
- [Re: House Rule Discussion - Ground Obstacle Collisions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/house-rule-discussion-ground-obstacle-collisions/) - I like F.2, but it raises another question for me. Right now the only visible effects of damage are when an area is reduced to zero, smoke, and fire. I propose that collision damage (whether with ground or other planes), fabric tears, and fuel leaks should also be visible damage.
- [Re: House Rule Discussion - Ground Obstacle Collisions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/house-rule-discussion-ground-obstacle-collisions-2/) - Didn't we used to something like that for head on collisions in Madison? I've got something scribbled in the margin in my rulebook there.
- [Re: House Rule Discussion - Ground Obstacle Collisions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/house-rule-discussion-ground-obstacle-collisions-4/) - Yes we did. I'm in favor of recycling good ideas.
- [Re: House Rule Discussion - Ground Obstacle Collisions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/house-rule-discussion-ground-obstacle-collisions-5/) - F.2 for sure. No need for more punishment to an already death-friendly game!
- [Re: House Rule Discussion - Ground Obstacle Collisions](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/house-rule-discussion-ground-obstacle-collisions-3/) - I prefer F2 Note that damaged landing gear counts as a critical hit so there will be an extra 5% or 10% off landing chances
- [Re: House Rule Discussion - Jams on Short Bursts](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/house-rule-discussion-jams-on-short-bursts/) - Either is OK. If I were the god of the skies I'd rule that D.2 is used, except during tournaments were D.1 can be used at the judges option.
- [Re: House Rule Discussion - Jams on Short Bursts](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/house-rule-discussion-jams-on-short-bursts-2/) - I prefer to stick with Edition 7 rules in this case. Why? My feeling in general is that we have too many house rules. House rules are fine if they're addressing an exploit or playability, but that's not the case here.
- [Re: House Rule Discussion - Jams on Short Bursts](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/house-rule-discussion-jams-on-short-bursts-4/) - I will vote with the group here and go with D.2 Stick to 7th edition and pray pray pray for 8th edition...but not hold breath!
- [Re: House Rule Discussion - Jams on Short Bursts](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/house-rule-discussion-jams-on-short-bursts-3/) - I like D1
- [Re: UPDATED -- Online "House Rules" -- July 5, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/updated-online-house-rules-july-5-2014/) - I have a new rule proposal to apply for both virtual DP and regular DP In the event an ENTIRE team (they shall be called, "The Confused Team") rolls for aircraft on the wrong table, proceed as follows: -The Honest team gets a full round surprise attack on The Confused Team. -The Honest team then
- [Re: UPDATED -- Online "House Rules" -- July 5, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/updated-online-house-rules-july-5-2014-2/) - TJ, obviously this is a completely hypothetical example. Nothing as ridiculous as the situation you describe could ever really happen ; ) Graham
- [Re: UPDATED -- Online "House Rules" -- July 5, 2014](https://fitssociety.com/forums/reply/updated-online-house-rules-july-5-2014-3/) - I thought the punishment fit the crime.
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