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Ok I would like to know what happens in this exmaple.
The dogfight starts…player A fires and obtains hits on Player B’s plane casuing 2 engine hits. No critical occurs.
4 or 5 turns later Player C scores one engine hit on Player Bs plane, this results in an engine explodes critical (roll of 2 on the 7th edition critical table).
1. Does player A get the kill (the rule states that the player that caused the most damage to the area gets the kill confirmation)
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2. Player C gets the kill , as his burst clearly made the plane explode.I think common sense might dictate that the killing blow gets the kill or else too much record keeping would be the result. I am sure the rule should read…whomever gets the most hits “ON THE TURN” the plane is brought down…right?
Is this a rules change? Or was it as Mk2 has stated the rule should of read a certain way? I’m just curious. I also agree with your descicion as it makes the most logical sense…
It’s always (for thirty years that I know of) been played that it’s hits on the turn that matter. I believe that on the turn is assumed in the rule.
That’s the rule here in Mesa too. Even if you have been tailing for 14 turns, put 55 rounds into him and caused 5 crits, if on the next turn you miss – your wingmate can come in put one in the wing and bring him down. It is your wingmate’s kill now. Hence coining the term ‘killstealer’.
Many play that if two or more players hit the same area,on the same turn, and it causes a kill, they all cut for the kill. The most hits in the area that causes the kill on the kill turn is only a Mike Carr house rule!:angry:
Well, if the pilot(s) doing the killing are British, or American (USAS) you could always do like they did, and give everyone credit.
That could make for some interesting counting of victory credits.
I don’t have my rulebook with me, but I believe it’s not a Mike Carr house rule, it’s a rulebook rule that is widely ignored except in Mike Carr’s house. In the long ago days in Madison, we used to roll dice for kills rather than cutting cards, and we used to when someone scored more hits give them a +1 on the die roll. You could also give allow the guy with more hits to win ties in a cut.
I believe you’re correct about it being in the rule book. I don’t have mine handy either, but I don’t use anyone’s house rules, and I do recall reading somewhere about cutting cards or rolling dice for claims in dispute between 2 or more pilots.
Al Lowe wrote:
Quote:I believe you’re correct about it being in the rule book. I don’t have mine handy either, but I don’t use anyone’s house rules, and I do recall reading somewhere about cutting cards or rolling dice for claims in dispute between 2 or more pilots.Page 28 Appendix B
+6 for an “assist” (Scoring hits in the area which causes the enemy to be downed, but less than the pilot who gets credit for the kill; if each scores an equal amount of decisive hits, divide +36 among them)
That is the only reference I can find in the rulebook. At no other place do I see a rule to cover kill credit in the “Rulebook”
Found it. It’s not in the rule book, it’s in the charts and tables (from the TSR edition), under “Missions, Kills & Pilot Experience” section, the paragraph on “Kills:” And it mentions cutting cards, if 2 pilots have equal claim on a kill.
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